CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #42 *ARREST*

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  1. Yellow Rose

    Yellow Rose Well-Known Member

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    Imo pleading the fifth isn’t meant to do anything but excuse you from testifying. It does not in any way infer that you are guilty or not guilty in the eyes of the law. All moo
     
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  2. FromGermany

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    Re the slug/bullet/casing:
    There has to be a reason, why PF decided to burn his victim KB, even in a trough (open fire, visible from afar, I think), leaving nothing of her behind except remains, which he collected and disposed of. I would like to know, if the burning was planned in advance or not. After all, it was another risk to be discovered.
    What, if KKL had taken the tote bag with dead KB to Idaho? Would she have got an order by PF, to burn it somewhere there too?
    ETA: "Re the slug/bullet/casing:"
     
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  3. nwmouse

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    I'm not a forensic expert but PF presumably thought that burning would destroy KB's entire body, nothing left to ID her.

    It makes no difference if PF had planned to burn her remains before the murder or after. My guess is before as he had been planning her slaughter for months.

    Why does anyone think KB was killed with a gunshot when KK clearly told LE that KB was beaten to death by PF and forensics likely have evidence to prove it?

    Perhaps PF thought if there was no body to find, LE couldn't pin the murder on him.

    Why would KK take the tote with KB's remains to ID? Makes no sense.

    IMO, PF thought the ranchette would be an ideal place to dispose of a corpse by burning it.

    In his stupid mind he figured he could outwit LE if they couldn't find KB's body, and it backfired spectacularly.

    moo
     
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  4. chi123

    chi123 Well-Known Member

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    Very well said as always Gitana.

    But I can just picture the defense scrolling through this thread and screaming, “wait, how did we miss that?!”
     
  5. InvSmith

    InvSmith Sometimes your cross is carried by strangers

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    So, this means she would have come into CO on the 20th or 21st?
     
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  6. Bluebythec

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    Maybe he brought the tote into the condo under the guise that they were going to look for a Christmas tree and he needed the room in the truck bed for the tree?
     
  7. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    If she KNEW KK didn't leave with the car until the 23rd and had no idea when KB died, then she was doing her duty.
    UNLIKE OTHERS

    If she "fudged" the date and KNEW KK WAS in the area on the 22nd she was in CYA mode and lied about when the car was borrowed!
    Moo
     
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  8. FromGermany

    FromGermany Well-Known Member

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  9. kkdj

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    I believe pleading the fifth is so that one doesn't incriminate oneself.
     
  10. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae The enemy is here. beware

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    Thanks for clearing that up.
     
  11. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae The enemy is here. beware

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    Snip

    nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself

    Fifth Amendment


    Reads like self incrimination to me.
     
  12. Aydrianna523

    Aydrianna523 Well-Known Member

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    When I originally read the affidavit, I read it that it was PF'S (and kb's) PHONES PINGING in the area on 11/22 (not kk's). Because one of the calls was to kk, I think people thought it was kk's phone pinging in CO.
     
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  13. MsBetsy

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    Maybe the wording should be changed in those notes because it does make it sound like the phone that pinged was the phone from Idaho. It refers to PF's phone as "it" and also the Idaho phone as "it."
    It should be clarified that the pings they are referring to are only PF's phone and KB's phone, to determine their location and show they were together.
    It's causing some confusion. Imo
     
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    What did I just wake up to.

    Facts matter: KK was In Idaho during the time of the murder.

    It can be twisted and spun however you want, but the state has stated many times that PF contacted kk in Idaho. They have also said specifically that kk was not in Colorado that day. and I’m sure the State can prove it.

    This was not some big ahh haa moment.

    I think I may need something stiffer than coffee....
     
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  15. Aydrianna523

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    I read the part of the affidavit concerning the defendant (being at sf's on the 11/22) as just being pf . PF is the defendant. I still believe that's what they were talking about. They were tracking his whereabouts.
     
  16. Julia966

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    I think it's a bit more than that. You would only be able to take the fifth if testifying would incriminate you. You wouldn't be able to take the fifth merely to avoid testifying.
     
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  17. MsBetsy

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    Yet they did say that without KK, they wouldn't have any idea which room KB was killed in.
    Most importantly they have his confession to her, which is crucial when there is no body. Imo
     
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    "Oneself" - so what did SF do that could incriminate her?
    What ghastly role did she play?
     
  19. ab01

    ab01 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you! For being a voice of reason!
     
  20. NoeticSoul

    NoeticSoul Learning is a gift, even if pain is your teacher.

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    Good morning. I have been thinking... and if KK was so damn afraid, couldn't she have just taken some photos of that horrific crime scene (and everything else for that matter, when PF wasn't looking) and gone right to the police? I wonder if she did take any photos. And if she didn't, why the hell not?

    Also I think SF would have talked in court and placed the blame on KK if PF was at all innocent. Since she pled the 5th I also think she's up to her ears in the disposal (if not helping plan) and the cover-up of poor KB's senseless murder. I believe this because of the way SF jumped to gain FULL custody of Baby K (away from the Berreths) after the fact. She was going to complete the main motive for that murder for him. imo.

    MOO

    That is all. Have a great Friday and weekend ahead friends!
     
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