CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #42 *ARREST*

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  1. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Well yes. Because people are claiming she's the actual murderer instead of PF even though the evidence refutes that.

    Oh we all know she's a soulless monster who wanted KB dead and gladly participated in covering up the killing and prior to that in trying to effectuate the murder.

    But ultimately, she did not murder KB and people are twisting the evidence in order to make that so.

    One post actually stated that PF was the victim and terrified of KK!
     
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  2. gliving

    gliving Just the facts, ma'am

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    Isn't Aug 2018 also when KB was in California for rehab? Could these papers be so PF could seek medical care while KB was out of town, or was he planning to seek custody?
     
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  3. ajaylee

    ajaylee Well-Known Member

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    This. I think over the months PF and KK considered multiple scenarios: hints that she might be seeing someone in Pueblo, hints that she had threatened to take her life once before, suggestions that grandma was sick, hints that she had drug/alcohol problems and was depressed.

    They could have staged a suicide/accident near home with the gun or drugs. They could have staged a runaway scene with KB disappearing over a cliff in one of her cars.

    I think they considered all kinds of plots, but then PF got impatient, took matters into his own hands. There was no plan and he suddenly had to improvise in a hurry. I imagine its hard to keep it all straight when there's blood all over the house and a body in a tote.
     
  4. Sweetsbeach

    Sweetsbeach Well-Known Member

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    Yes!
    Another example I've observed:

    When a man leaves his wife and children for another woman, he's a pig. When a woman leaves her husband and children for another man, she's a monster who pretty much gets ostracized.

    I noticed I too have been guilty of judging women more harshly than men in these types of situations. It's healthy to acknowledge our personal biases. We can't change what we don't acknowledge.
     
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  6. oviedo

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    From the Affidavit PF's phone pinged near her residence that afternoon - para 67 - 1300-1630 on 11/22 so either he left his phone in the townhome to go visit SF or he didn't go there until after 4:30 - which makes sense since the two calls he made were to SF and KK around that same time - I think he told them he did it.

    On another note, I think KK did take pictures of the crime scene - I don't think she could help herself and that may be why she destroyed her phone and got a new one on December 4 - the same day they "seized" PF's phone - I recall that the attorney representing PF said he handed it over. Interesting choice of words in the Affidavit - perhaps the first hint that he was not cooperating and LE knew he was involved IMO.
    Affidavit/source
     
  7. heartgoesout

    heartgoesout Well-Known Member

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    Everyone can and should form their own opinions. Headlines do not hold the whole story. <modsnipped unnecessary comment>
     
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  8. PrairieWind

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    If the documents had been filed and a custody petition entered, we would know about that by now. So I think its clear that whatever these documents are they were not "filed." By the way LE referred to them, it sounds like they were documents that "could" have been filed however. So that leads me to think they were drawn up by an attorney. So I am curious about that.

    I do NOT think that custody was PF's motive. At least not the primary motive.
     
  9. gitana1

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    I don't believe we will ever hear a word from PF. But yeah. His defense will likely try to implicate KK and based on the avid desire of many to see her as the actual murderer, it could work.
     
  10. Blondiexoxo

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    Did PF literally leave the mother of his child dead, alone and battered in her home for 2 days before KK showed up in her white suit, cleaning products to hand? Two whole days just decomposing alone :( what did KK do in this time after? She didn’t call LE that’s for sure this is beyond evil
     
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  11. Kapua

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    No, she was in the black tote on the hay bale in the barn in Nash ranch until he burned her.
     
  12. Ccging

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    Purely IMO but I believe strongly that both the unfiled custody papers and the documents referencing the people to reach out to should something happen to PF were both prepared by PF and/or Ma F AFTER KB’s murder and were backdated to make LE think they were done in August.
     
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  13. PommyMommy

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    Yes, Slater said the papers were not filed. There may be more information available, but here's what I found doing a quick search.

    Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth
    Slater was then asked to testify about documents found inside of Frazee’s home that contained paperwork about custody of his young daughter. He said this paperwork was dated in August 2018, but had never been filed.
     
  14. oviedo

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    I am very interested in this - I have believed since the beginning it was based on custody (or rather, he wanted her to himself and to hurt KB would be a bonus IMO). Why murder when so much is at stake? I've thought of other motives, money, hate, control, power, evilness, betrayal, etc. but I just come back to the baby. Although if KB was seeing someone, that would make him very angry IMO not because he wanted her - he did not want anyone else to have her and be happy - and if he did use a baseball bat that would help explain the violence IMO. I also think he used KK and do believe he told her to come clean up her mess in that phone call 11/22. JMO
     
  15. Aydrianna523

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    You don't want to go too far out of the box though. :)
     
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    Thank you for finding this. So custody that never got filed....something stopped him - the filing fee? NOT. I think the alternative plan if we are to believe the solicitations which began in September.
     
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    i think you pretty much nailed it. and this theory brings SF into the mix in a scary psychologically motivating way. MOO
     
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    Do we have any proof that PF really went to Thanksgiving dinner at the ranch? The only info I have read is the statement by his brother. How do we know this to be true? Overall, we've heard very little about and from the brother. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he has more knowledge than we are lead to believe.
    That said, I am not 100% convinced PF even went to the ranch for the family dinner. The timeline is awfully tight - and he would have needed time to clean himself up, change clothes, etc. before arriving there. Despite being LE himself, I wonder if the brother was covering for him not being at dinner.
     
  19. Julia966

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    I don't either, but I can't pinpoint why. I'm not getting a vibe that he would do anything to have the baby all to himself. What seems more likely is that changes were afoot. Their relaxed, non-binding arrangement was perhaps about to become more regimented and expensive for him if, say, KB was filing papers that would strictly outline his custody time and child support payments. I can envision him becoming enraged by the idea of following a script dictated to him by a woman and a court.
     
  20. gliving

    gliving Just the facts, ma'am

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