CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #42 *ARREST*

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  1. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 Well-Known Member

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    Welcome!

    It may not be germane to what they were trying to prove that day in court?

    As the saying goes, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
     
  2. ab01

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    I also assume this. I think they are smart enough to verify a “story” with facts jmo. And I think they have lots of evidence that supports the supposed “story” that kk told them. I doubt it’s the first time they have ever verified what a witness has told them. I don’t see it as trusting kk but rather trusting LE, which I normally do and which I like about websleuths being a victim and LE friendly website. Moo
     
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  3. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    I don't think so because the case is no longer about custody between KB and PF. He clearly had frequent contact with and care of his child. That he possibly sought to formalize that isn't the issue now. It's about what's best for the baby now that mom is dead, dad's in jail awaiting trial and grandmother has taken the fifth regarding issues involving the day of the murder and is accused of standing on her porch as KB's body burned nearby.

    I don't think she has a chance in hell.
     
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  4. ab01

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    I know Right, my opinion is that the friend was likely mistaken and was trying to distance herself from the crime. I believe she wanted LE to know hey if KB is found shot with my gun I had nothing to do with it. MOO
     
  5. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    I disagree. Blood in the house of a woman who has disappeared and left her child for 10 days with an ex who never contacted the police to report her missing, and whose phone seemed to ping along with the missing woman's phone after she was last seen, is nowhere near enough to sustain probable cause for murder.

    Blood in a bathroom of a female could be for a variety of reasons. And blood was found in various areas of the house. KK apparently stated where PF told her he beat KB's brains in.

    It's not a crappy deal IMO.
     
  6. Inthedetails

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    Good question, bbm.

    Now that we have more information, what could that evidence be that would be destroyed by testing.

    Remains at the burn site make sense. Anything else?

    jmo
     
  7. Crooked Chicken

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    Am I the only one thinking that KK was running on no sleep for a few days? I would think you would have to be pretty clear-headed to facilitate all the trickery going on.

    Twin Falls, Idaho to Woodland Park, Colorado - about 11-1/2 hours

    Krystal's drive to Colorado took 13 hours -- that means about 1-1/2 hours in stops for gas, potty, food & phone calls:

    11/23 6:30 pm left Twin Falls, Idaho after swapping vehicles with friend MG

    11/24 7:30 am arrived in Woodland Park, Colorado

    11/24 cleaned KB's apartment

    11/24 went to Sonic

    11/24 met Frazee at Florissant Conoco Gas Station to go to Nash Ranch

    11/24 5:01pm-6:14pm went with PF to get KB's body from Nash ranch, took it to his home in Florissant and burned it

    11/24 late evening -- PF gave KB's gun and cell phone to KK

    Seems that KK must have stayed the night and eaten in Colorado the night of 11/24 and left very early in the morning -- 5am-ish?? (think I read that somewhere)

    11/25 4pm Jerome, Idaho Walmart car swap

    Dates and times are from the Application for Affidavit and Arrest Warrant dated 12/21/18
     
  8. dixiegirl1035

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    We will have to wait a little bit to learn. Judge scheduled March 4 hearing on motion by prosecutors for consumptive testing.
     
  9. gitana1

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    True. I get scared too. But Reisch has an agenda. It's related to always presenting a defense so he can get business as a criminal defense attorney. His proposed defense of CW (they would not be able to use his statements to the media and LE) was followed by CW's guilty plea.
     
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    Maybe she didn't fall for his BS? Maybe he couldn't control her? Maybe she was seeing his true colors? There are so many things it could be.
     
  11. PrairieWind

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    I don't think it would be relevant to custody now. Best interests of the child is the standard. But I am very interested in these documents. Were they lawyer prepared or pro so, or something off the internet? Were they prepared by PF or KB? If prepared by KB as if she was preparing to file a custody action, then I believe custody really could have been the motive for him killing her. But I am withholding until we know more about them.
     
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    OMG I typed that at the end of my last comment but deleted it - but they absolutely wanted to go home IMO.
     
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    PF left a mountain of circumstantial evidence in this case. He’s the dumbest criminal ever. Moo
     
  14. mtnlites

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    Same here. I don't think LE is putting blind faith in KK's story. IMO there are things there to back it up and do more than just place her in the house post murder. I'm interested to see all the evidence when (if) it comes out.
     
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    Seriously. And after CW, that bar was set pretty dang low.
     
  16. Reachingfornettles

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    I was thinking that it may have been shot into the tote. First because PF wanted KK to dispose of the body and the plan was to make it look like she killed herself , say if she was found in a gorge or something? Like the keys per say... She said she wouldn't so he comes up with the plan to burn the tote. After the fact that he used the gun of MGs...wonder if the guns are the same kind of calliber. JMO not facts here me painting pictures...
     
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  17. PrairieWind

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    Yep, and that is odd. He was planning this for a long time, yet he seems to have carried it out in a very unplanned rushed way. It seems to me that something must have happened that led him to think it had to be done right then, right there. There seems to be a missing puzzle piece here. I'm 100% positive that he did it, but the reasons are not so clear.
     
  18. Reachingfornettles

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    I really shouldn't second guess myself so much... Thank you for finding that!
     
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    I apologize AgeofAquarius. You were speculating about the gun being used on 11/24 and it went right over my head. I was thinking 11/22. :oops:
    MOO
     
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  21. Aydrianna523

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    Yes, but they have definite proof pf was at kb's on 11/22..and for quite a length of time. (He just didn't pick Baby K up and leave). And he ALSO told a pack of lies to cb. Now if pf wasn't caught on surveillance, and he wasn't caught lying about his whereabouts after his wal mart trip, and if the pings of his and kb's phones weren't traveling together, and if he hadn't filled out custody papers, that might cause reasonable doubt for him; but that's not the picture we're getting. The jurors are most likely going to figure it out.
    Even if kk had been there on 11/22, and she high-tailed it out of there the SAME day with kb's phone pinging with hers, it still wouldn't mean pf is innocent. It could make her guilty (along with pf), though.
    The speedy plea deal might be to get baby K into good hands. You actually can't tell what pf is capable of doing to hurt the B family. If you're going down you might take others with you. And I think LE has plenty of evidence so they decided to make a quick 'chess' move.
     
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