CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #42 *ARREST*

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  1. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 Well-Known Member

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    Him going to the house ~12:45, meeting her with flowers, and quickly going to Walmart 12:54-1:17-- and then returning and getting into the house, that absolutely could be something to consider.

    To have a scenario, and to have a sweater over your face and to smell candles, that would take a little bit of time to get in the mood for that. IMHO.

    I believe it was the Tresa Sievers case, that *Jimmy the hammer* and his friend came over to Teresa's house ( from Missouri to Florida) covered her head with a pillowcase before bludgeoning her so that there would be less of a mess.

    Am I remembering that correctly?
     
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  2. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    I never suggested KB sent the text messages and I believe you know that.
     
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  3. PrairieWind

    PrairieWind Verified Attorney

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    BBM. I don't think that is the relevance of the gun at this point. I think he sent the text about the gun as evidence that they were done as a couple and she was leaving town. And that PF no longer had the gun.
     
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  4. ajaylee

    ajaylee Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like another example of him pulling in random elements from potential plots that don't work together.

    One possible scenario was KB is depressed, gets her gun back and kills herself. He's made it clear to CB that KB has her gun back, has ammo, is firing it (at the range).

    Of course, that plot only would have worked if KB's body turned up with her gun, but as I said, I think PF was just tossing random stuff out there with no rhyme or reason - just anything that might stick or at least mislead LE.

    I mean, he told CB that KB wanted to be left alone to work things out. They've agreed to part ways. She wanted her things (keys and gun) back. But then she suddenly texts him a couple days later asking if he even loves her?

    Possible, but that text would have worked better with a 'KB is depressed and commits suicide' or 'KB is depressed and runs away and leaves her kid behind' scenario. It doesn't sound right coming from a woman who has been living a separate life from her 'fiancee' for a long time and has finally decided the relationship is over.

    FWIW, he may have known about Terri Ackerman, a Colorado woman who has been missing since last August. There's a WS thread on it - LE seems to be at a deadend. He may have thought it would be easier to make KB appear to 'disappear'.
     
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  5. ab01

    ab01 Well-Known Member

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    Thx for clarifying bc I thought that’s what you were saying as well. Anyways , no worries
     
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    He could of withdrawn money to send KKL on her Vegas trip or a 100 other reasons he thought Kelsey owed him for.
     
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  7. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    You make a great point. KB's gun ended up with KK, not PF. He also told CB directly that he was also returning KB's keys and, iirc, the house keys were missing. I wonder if the keys were recovered with a search warrant and where.
     
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  8. PrairieWind

    PrairieWind Verified Attorney

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    I think the robbery charge will get dismissed. The prosecution is trying to keep it there for purpose of death penalty and leverage. But I think the case there is weak. The public defender will try to remove it on a motion before too long I suspect.
     
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  9. k-mac

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    this
    that's the problem with phone evidence.
    your phone...your messages...your pings...…
    doesn't factually mean phone and person are joined at the hip at any moment in time.

    they were aware the phones were an issue.
    hence the burners.
    hence taking kelseys phone for a drive to Idaho.

    where does the hiding and game playing start and stop???
    the word of a proven liar?

    there has to be compelling evidence OTHER than the phones.
    think that's all been released because its obvious.

    the DA has the goods. but its not what they have released in my humble opinion.
    think we are gunna be blown away when it all comes out.
    just how stupid the pair of them were.
     
  10. FromGermany

    FromGermany Well-Known Member

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    Maybe, the papers at SF's place were PF's, because you are right: the content would be totally different of course and the petitioner would be him. IF there ever were custody papers, written by KB, and robbed by PF, then maybe they were useful to feed the bonfire in front of the F-home.
     
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  11. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    They had burner phones, and still royally screwed thus up.

    KB and PF were having text and phone conversations, when their phones were in the same place.

    When KB was already dead.

    Just remember the Watts case, when we had a pretty clear picture of what happened, but the case was absolutely blown open by the detail of the discovery documents.

    Those texts provided a ton of clarity.

    And were absolutely damning.

    I think this case is going to be like that, but on steroids.

    Those phones are going to talk.
     
  12. Medstudies

    Medstudies Blue hair don’t care

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    Thanks! I will have to look it up.

    (Here’s hoping he gets everything he deserves)
     
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  13. PrairieWind

    PrairieWind Verified Attorney

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    Death of a client does not terminate the lawyer/client privilege. So if KB had retained an attorney that attorney could not testify about what they discussed or even that he had been retained by KB.
     
  14. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    Calling @retiredrickyinCO. Will you be near Fountain, CO next week? :)
     
  15. mustloveco

    mustloveco howl at the moon

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    A few things-- I have been thinking today about the male DNA at KB's townhouse that was NOT PF!! First of all, u go girl. Second of all, I bet PF was so jealous... that loser KK couldn't get enough of him, and KB was moving on from PF...
     
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  16. NCTeacher

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    I have found the 2nd/3rd solicitations peculiar. Just how in the world did KK think that would end up? No witnesses? Nobody calling the cops? Nobody noticing the vehicle she emerged from/got back into? Nobody catching the tags? Really? She drove close to 1,000 miles to attempt to do THAT, not once, but twice? Did she plan on slapping the handcuffs on herself afterwards as well?
     
  17. tmar

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    And KK was interviewed for the plea deal, at the Police premises, where the 'estranged brother' works.
    MOO.
     
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  18. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    I often think about Josh Powell who blew up himself and his sons (after killing their mother) while the social worker banged on the door.

    LE and KB would have had to worry about crazy Frazee killing himself and Baby K as he realized KK had spilled the beans.

    Frustrating as it is to see the Rodeo Queen outside prison walls, I'm thankful Baby K is alive and doing what babies do with her grandmother.
     
  19. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Exactly. That’s just complete insanity.

    Just hit her on the back of the head, there won’t be much blood, toss her in a dumpster, and just walk away.

    Ok.
     
  20. Hatch

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    What happened in the condo to need a utility worker ? If his presence was to fix something at the condo . Utility worker could be electrical, water / trash,cable or gas. Or was it someone known to the friend of PF that picked up a package and he just stopped to shoot the s****!
    Edited
    added cable
     
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  21. oviedo

    oviedo Well-Known Member

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    Agree -!do most people know you can get the contents of text messages including the pictures ? I know this from litigation - of course the owner of an account can get the phone numbers of every call and text for all phones on their account - google those numbers and they may lead to the identity even without a search warrant- IMO I think PF admitted he killed her and maybe even admitted where he took the remains via text and/email - its possible IMO
    ETA spelling
     
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