CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #43 *ARREST*

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  1. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    If I were that girl with such a sweet deal, I'd sit home watching TV, taking no chances and counting my lucky stars!
     
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    kkdj Well-Known Member

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    I can't imagine, as a mother, ok'ing my son to murder the mother of his child.....or anyone else! I doubt anybody I know would even tell me about such a plan because I would never back it.
    However, I do think PF more than likely convinced his mother he was very concerned for the safety and well being of his child, her grandchild, who she was a caretaker of. I believe he was making it all up, but he might have been pretty convincing....after all, KB had gone to a mental health center for depression and anxiety. Btw, I'm pretty sure he was the cause for her depression and anxiety. Actually, I'm very sure. jmo.
     
  3. OldLadyBlues

    OldLadyBlues Well-Known Member

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    Dec 18th....murder maybe Nov 22. Incineration on 25th? The fire he created would have sat hot over night at least until he could get near it to move or gather up to take to the dump/river. That brings us to the 26th/27th. Would this man have hidden the burn for 3 weeks before taking it to the dump? We know he hid KBs body over night. (thinking out loud here) And LE seemingly is very interested in the WM site. Or would he be as anal as to separate the leftover unburnables from the ashes, ashes to the river, unburnables to the dump? And in that case, since we are dealing with someone who in now insane and not using his rat sized brain, plus having "friends" doing his dumping for him, could all the unburnables still be together in a bag? Box? Canvas bag? Tote?
    Dear Lord, I think I've finally lost it. Or could he really be that dumb to think it was a really good idea?
    MOO,MOO, MOO
     
  4. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
     
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    steeltowngirl Well-Known Member

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    But didn’t KK take the purse? Perhaps why the robbery charge may be dropped?

    Clipped from a 9News article, link below:
    “Slater said Lee told her Frazee gave her Berreth’s cellphone. Lee said she also took a purse from Berreth’s condo and brought it with her to Frazee’s home. “

    Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth
     
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  6. Seattle1

    Seattle1 Well-Known Member

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    I agree that trial by twitter can be very confusing!

    I found Denver News 9 a good source for the 2/19 Courtroom update especially because their summary differentiates between direct testimony and cross examination which is very helpful here and not something easy to recognize in tweets. I found the following is a good recap of what was happening with SF at the prelim Tuesday:

    1:30 p.m -- COURT IS BACK IN SESSION AFTER LUNCH

    Teller County Judge Scott Sells is upholding his decision to release Patrick Frazee’s mother from her subpoena, which means she will not have to testify against her son at his preliminary hearing.

    Sells said prosecutors had wanted Sheila Frazee to testify about when her son arrived at Thanksgiving dinner the day Berreth disappeared, the wellbeing of his child, and a steel rod that may have been recovered.

    She was also expected to testify about what was referred to as a “burning incident” at Frazee’s home, according to Sells.

    Sells said a preliminary hearing is not a time for this testimony, and that other witnesses can provide further similar information.

    Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth
     
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  7. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    How is it unethical?
     
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  8. OldLadyBlues

    OldLadyBlues Well-Known Member

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    I'm thinking she knew PF was a big giant putz, but out of that relationship came her daughter.
    IMHO
     
  9. jewelsmac

    jewelsmac No one really knows why anyone does anything

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    heyyyyy
     
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  10. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Plea deals are made in “good faith.”

    Both sides agree to terms that basically form a contract.

    The DA striking a deal with KK, with the intention of reneging on it, is wholely unethical.
     
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  11. PommyMommy

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    It was first reported on Jan 17 that they were going to search the landfill, so I don't think the search is based on new information. There's an awful lot of planning and preparation going into a search like this and the weather hasn't exactly been cooperative. I'm guessing those are the reasons for the delay.
    MOO
     
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  12. jewelsmac

    jewelsmac No one really knows why anyone does anything

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    yes, of course.. wasn’t considering weather delay. I was secretly hoping that PF, after having it all laid out so masterfully before him in court, reconsidered his ridiculous narcissistic ways and was going to fess up as to where she is. Now of course I know this will never happen, yes @MassGuy I know that, but one can dream
     
  13. OldLadyBlues

    OldLadyBlues Well-Known Member

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    Dante's Inferno. Perfect cast members.
     
  14. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    Plea deals are made all the time. No defendant is forced to take it and KK is represented by counsel.

    JMO
     
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    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Exactly. They are a “deal.” Hence “plea deal.”

    No coercion necessary.

    The suggestion that the DA has no intention of carrying out their end of the bargain, is based on no evidence.
     
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  16. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    Dante's Rodeo
    (Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be Frazees)
     
  17. kkdj

    kkdj Well-Known Member

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    Yeah....not believing that.
    Obviously in her heart she wanted her dead.....her own words speak to that.
    Also, imo she didn't "learn about a plan to murder a young innocent mother".....she was a huge part of the plan of murdering KB. She plotted to do it herself on more than one occasion!
     
  18. GordianKnot

    GordianKnot Well-Known Member

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    Agreed with both of your excellent posts!

    It looks like while you're both looking at it from a slightly different angle, you've arrived at the same conclusion:

    The plea deal is entered into willingly and voluntarily, i.e., without force or coercion.
     
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  19. skyedaze

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    Yeah..
    "I learned PF had committed a homicide..ya know, the one I wussed out of doing...but I really tried 3 times!" Poison, metal pipe/rod, baseball bat...there was a clear evolution to the plot.
    such a liar
     
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  20. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    Plea deals are voluntary. Nobody is forced to take them. The DA is under no obligation to carry out "their end of the deal" because it doesn't exist. I assume this is why KK's attorney asked for all discovery.

    Numerous defendants have taken a plea deal and have been exonerated years later by DNA evidence. They weren't exonerated because it was an "unethical plea deal"

    https://www.americanbar.org/content...mjust_cjmag_23_3_yaroshefsky.authcheckdam.pdf
     
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