CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #43 *ARREST*

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  1. skyedaze

    skyedaze Well-Known Member

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    Yeah...I think she was supposed to be dead the night of the ulcer and target shooting was so she would have the gun and gun residue. Something messed up that plan...like maybe KB and CB talking on the phone and whatever they discussed.
    So it had to happen the next day.
     
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  2. Steelslady

    Steelslady Well-Known Member

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    Exactly- getting gun shot residue on her hands may have been something he wanted. I'll just bet he probably didn't even shoot himself, just let her do it, and I'll bet he wore gloves to keep his hands clean.

    Still, though, what's even more intriguing is the missing bullet from Krystal's friend's gun. It would make more sense if they were going to set up a suicide using Kelsey's gun, but possibly using her friend's gun? We don't know that they did that, nor do we know officially if they fired that gun, but it sure is strange that the friend brought that up, that she even noticed a bullet was missing.

    I wonder, was Kelsey's gun the same as her friend's gun? Could Kelsey's gun have been empty of bullets, Patrick forgot to get more or didn't have any more around, and they took one from her friend's gun, to put into Kelsey's gun to shoot her with?
     
  3. Steelslady

    Steelslady Well-Known Member

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    That could very well be. He probably was there when Kelsey told her Mom about her going target practicing.
     
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  4. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    That would all make sense, if the timing worked.

    Kelsey was almost certainly killed on the afternoon of the 22nd (Thanksgiving).

    KK borrowed the car (and basically the gun as well) on the 23rd.

    She didn’t arrive on the scene until the morning of the 24th (a day and a half later).

    So while intriguing, I can’t work her friend’s gun, and the missing bullet, into this.

    We don’t know if both guns took the same size rounds.
     
  5. Steelslady

    Steelslady Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if it was intended as a conspiracy theory. I think some folks just remembered ML from before and perhaps thought there might be a connection. Remember, Krystal did tell her friend that she thought that it was possible that Patrick had killed before. This is why I think folks might be thinking there could be a connection, because of Krystal's comment. Of course, some folks might have seen ML's blonde hair and last name, and assumed she might have been related to Krystal, which is not the case.
     
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    yes, and as the defense apologetically but indelicately pointed out, she had her period- also tiring.
     
  7. Mercedes

    Mercedes Verified Lawyer

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    I would like to know if LE had KK take a lie detector test?
     
  8. Steelslady

    Steelslady Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry- so tired from this sinus infection and I am not making much sense tonight, nor am I completing my thoughts- my apologies. I meant that they took the bullet from the friend's gun after Krystal got there, to make it look like a suicide, and used Kelsey's gun to fire the bullet from.

    I believe Patrick's original plan was to have Krystal drive Kelsey's body back to Idaho or further away from his mother's ranch, and bring Kelsey's gun with her, and set it up as a suicide. However, I think Krystal chickened out on this part, as she refused, after he told her he wanted her to take her body with her. Perhaps it was an act of defiance, after having to clean up the murder scene, and she told him to get lost in terms of disposing her body, which already had a bullet in her, so they burned her and evidence together in Ma F's front yard.

    I just think Krystal chickened out on doing that last part- possibly freaked her out, after seeing the crime scene, and didn't want to do that last step for him, no matter how much she loves him.
     
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  9. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Me too. I wouldn’t be surprised, in fact, I’d be surprised if she wasn’t hooked up to one.

    It seems to be pretty standard in situations like this.
     
  10. Seattle1

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    Yes - admitted to both using the phone and texts. She intentionally wanted phone to ping .

    Kenney told investigators that Frazee asked her to dispose of Berreth’s cellphone and gun, according to Slater. She said she drove back to Idaho on Nov. 24, but intentionally let both her and Berreth’s phone ping in Grand Junction, Salt Lake City and Gooding, Idaho, in hopes investigators could use the towers to track her town, Slater testified.

    Slater said Kenney claimed she burned Berreth’s phone in her front yard, but not before using it to text Berreth's mom to say she would “call her tomorrow.” She also sent a text to Berreth’s employer that said she wouldn’t be at work the following week, as she was visiting her grandmother in Washington.

    These were the last messages the phone ever sent, Slater said.

    CBI: Idaho nurse claimed Patrick Frazee fatally beat Kelsey Berreth, burned her body
     
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    This site is the only place I’ve seen this reported. Is it possible this was yet another incident of misreporting possibly due to the bad acoustics in the room according to other reporters?
     
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    I absolutely agree!!!
    I don’t think there’s any doubt that it was part of her conditions to receive the plea. I honestly can’t see a scenario in which she wouldn’t have! To be honest
     
  14. Notagain

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    You owe me a Coke

    But seriously, if she could do it in 8 hours, keep in mind that going really fast and with expired tags, you would assume that LE would be all over that and pulling her over.
     
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    There are several airports she could have flown out of or to, use of connecting flights or driven the rest of the way. Denver airport is massive. Nobody is going to recall who they saw on a flight after so much time elapses.

    If her friends were willing to loan her a vehicle, gun, and were willing to lie for her so her ex-husband wouldn't find out, I have no problem believing a friend gave her their ID so the ticket wouldn't have her name on it. The TSA agent would look at it, scan it and think nothing more of it. I doubt LE spent a lot of time tracking KK locations but I bet the defense will do so.

    JMO
     
  16. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    A few of those cases recycle on Dateline and Forensic Files pretty regularly.

    There's every reason to believe PF and/or Mamma watched them.

    The other common theme is poisoning with succinylcholine (way off on the spelling!).

    Since there is no body we're never going to know.
     
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    Yes, that line of thinking perplexes me too! Especially since on the one hand she says she left a trail of breadcrumbs (for LE to "find her quickly", or however she put it) but then, on the other hand, she lies through her teeth when she's first approached by LE.

    How did she think these inconsistencies were a good idea?

    Well, really...how did she think any of this was a good idea?
     
  18. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Generally. Drugs like succinylcholine are used when someone wants the body to be found, but wants to disguise the manner of death.

    So an “accidental drowning” may use something like this in order to facilitate it.
     
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    KK sure is clever, no wonder LE can’t place her in kBs condo on the day of KBs murder November 22nd. She Apparently needs to write a book to help LE when this is all over. I’m surprised that they could be so easily duped by her. Moo
     
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  20. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    See, I'm not watching carefully. I'd be as dumb a murderer as these clowns!
     
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