Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

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  1. FromGermany

    FromGermany Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps there is indeed no little K in the baby carrier, as I can't see her. Maybe, PF had a meeting point at Walmart with another person and this unknown person had just gone to the diaper changing room with little K? He was waiting (relaxed foot position, maybe leaning against a shelf) for them to return. IF, I wouldn't think of SF (she was cooking her TG dinner) but a female person, who would be able to take little K on her arms to the WC room. Could have been little K's auntie (the tall one from court) perhaps, if she was there for TG visiting at her mother's. - My thoughts now.
     
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    SandyQLS may your life be filled with avocados

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    Yes, they found teeth. The items recovered from the F ranchette are listed in the Execution pdf for SW111 items:

    #28 teeth
    #35 4 teeth in small envelope and 1 tooth, totalling 5 teeth

    The SW111 was dated Dec 14 and executed over F-S-Su Dec 14-15-16.

    This is befor KK gave her statement Dec 20 on a 4.5 hour videotape with her lawyer present, including her statement about a tooth with root in KB's floor vent. ALL MOO
     
  4. ilovechili

    ilovechili Well-Known Member

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    I am no expert but a few weeks ago someone on here responded who seemed to know to this kind of speculation that by the time they were on to KK, etc. and had PF's phone and had any hint of burners that this window was lost. It might explain the lack of warrants regarding other numbers. Or no returns. Not sure which is true. I also do not know how they would get burner to burner numbers if never provided and disposed of nor ever used to call any other number. They stated that the window of time was too late for a cell tower dump. I do not remember who it was. So just offering what I read, I cannot say whether it is fact. jmo.
     
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    I’m not sure I have ever followed a case where a person that was there during the actual act of murder was given such a sweet deal and reduced charge of tampering with evidence.

    Who knows maybe this will be a first.....
     
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  6. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Ha! That’s because that doesn’t happen.

    We see reduced charges in those circumstances, but nothing like this.

    There is absolutely no evidence that KK was in Colorado, merely speculation that “she could have been,” or that “there could be evidence that she was.”

    We saw similar theories in the Watts case, ones based on the theory that evidence could theoretically exist.

    That’s not how it works.
     
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    I can't speak for others of course, but I do not believe KK was the murderer. However, I am not yet convinced that she wasn't either present when it took place and at the least, was not in Colorado when it took place. I may be proved wrong in the end which is fine, but it is JMO that I cannot rule that out yet till further proof is revealed, which hopefully it will be at trial. And I try not to forget that KK traveled approximately 1600 miles round trip 3 times with intention to kill KB. She was supposedly along to pick the tote up from the hay bale and was present for the alleged burning of the body. These things she has admitted to LE, plus many other things, such as disposing of the phone, etc. So, am I or anyone to believe that IF KK was in Colorado the day the murder took place, then LE/investigators would not have given her a plea bargain?? They gave it to her with all the other things she admitted to.

    I do care what the jury thinks of KK. It's rather obvious that her testimony is very important in the charges against PF, otherwise she wouldn't have been given the plea bargain that she got. So if her testimony is so important to this case, then in my opinion if I was a juror, I would want to believe her testimony and consider her a credible witness because she has to convince me and 11 other jury members that what she is saying is true. Because IMO, what she has to say will probably play a more important role in the conviction of PF killing KB, or at least, be just as important as other evidence they have on him.

    So, I guess some of us can agree to disagree, as we all can have our own opinions and ideas of how this all unfolded, because right now and until trial, none of us know for sure.

    This is all JMO, MOO

    Has it been proven yet that KB's blood was found on things at the ranchette? If so, I have missed it. The last I read was that the presumptive testing of some items was positive for blood.

    ETA - spelling.
     
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    I’ve been pondering the mop/swiffer and bleach container that tested positive for blood that LE took from the ranch and have been thinking was PF really dumb enough to transport them to/from KB’s and put them away at the ranchette?

    Now it could very well be they were used to clean up cattle blood or another incident.

    But it got me thinking, what if there was blood in PF’s truck that he found after he moved the tote?

    We don’t know what they found in/on his vehicles. Right?

    And may further explain the discoloration of the hay at Nash.

    Just thinking out loud.
     
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    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Every time I find myself discounting potential evidence on account of it existing because of PF’s stupidity, I am reminded of @GordianKnot ‘s words:

    “This is PF we’re talking about.”

    If those items definitively test positive for Kelsey’s blood, then he’s in even more trouble.

    There’s a lot of lab results yet to come back, so we’ll have to wait a while.

    I agree, if that tote left blood on the hay, then it likely left blood in the bed of his truck as well.

    I think he must have placed it on top of Kelsey’s blood, while he was loading her inside the container.
     
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    “Stupid is as stupid does”


    -Forrest Gump-
     
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    Only evidence given to the public of KB’s blood was in the condo.
     
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    If they find she KKL was in CO on Nov 22, would that fact void the sweet deal?
     
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    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    I can’t imagine that it would stand. That would be a huge lie, and not one of her face saving ones.

    The affidavit lays out a timeline, one that does not involve her arriving in Colorado until the morning of the 24th.

    Bye bye deal.
     
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    Well said. It also fits with what a juror is expected to be. Awaiting enough evidence and the entire case. LE may very well have it, we do not. Well, at least I don't.

    If I had my mind made up 100 percent as to each and every fact and event, what would possibly be the point of following this particular case? Other than to check on a verdict and the occasional update? I would look to another case.

    This is a "sleuthing" site right? If the cases ended upon arrest or a preliminary then I guess it is time to move on. I have never understood a preliminary to be the trial, over and done with. It is a busy thread so apparently that is not the case.

    Discussion is what I enjoy :)

    And this is jmo.
     
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    There are actually a number of common substances that can give false positives. Paints containing iron to produce "barn red" color are one thing. PF was a farrier working with horseshoes, so I expect iron ore dust around him, his boots, a floor he walks on into his home, and in his truck. Cleaning the kitchen or bathroom floor, animal blood, could be anything.

    JMO until CBI comes back with something specific, I don't have much interest in the swabs from the F ranch of green swiffer, bleach bottle, Simply Green bottle, that tested "positive presumptive". Per Execution for SW111, items 63, 64, 65.

    Wait & See....
     
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    That is to make sure the substance is blood from the way I understand it. Not that it is KB's. If it is then one or both of two women might have some 'splaining to do...

    The only things that are stated to relate to KB were in her townhome. And not even with all of that were the facts there yet...
     
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