CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #5

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  1. katie565

    katie565 Well-Known Member

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    I am a CASA - court appointed special advocate. My title has different names, eg guardian ad litem and different legal roles in each state. We don’t take children from their parents and even when there is abuse, we work towards reunification. I can’t begin to tell you how difficult it is to take a child from a parent even with cause. Even with a court challenge, it would be hard to take that child away from
    him
     
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  2. PrairieWind

    PrairieWind Verified Attorney

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    Its also a lesson about how completely innocent posts someone makes to their Pinterest or Instagram or FB can be taken out of context by a third party, (intentionally or inadvertently) and used to make you look like a total piece of crap.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Thank you!!!
     
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    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    This ^^^ 5 stars!!
     
  5. Jennifer17

    Jennifer17 Former Member

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    My google searches would definitely be incriminating if someone close to me disappeared.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Can you link that?
     
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    I think the opposite is more likely-that they broke up and maybe were going to discuss custody. They would “get through” thanksgiving because plans had been made already.
     
  8. BRRI

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    I really would still like to have a tech expert chime in about pings, VPNs, text spoofing, and remotely accessing a phone (turning it on from another location)....
     
  9. Charlot123

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    My question would be, how close were KB’s mom and her fiancé? Did they often/ever see each other, did they talk on the phone, and how often?

    On one side, there is a religious family, on the other, an unwed couple, living separately but raising a child together. Could it create a certain tension between the sides? Lack of proximity, unless the couple gets married?

    I saw several posts criticizing PF for not getting in touch with KB’s mom. Being a mother, I immediately rolled several different scenarios in my head.
    One of them was, PF and KB’s mother could be not on close terms, simply because they didn’t know each other too well.

    P.S. an adult kid and her SO living in another state makes a huge difference.
     
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  10. Mom24

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    Did Kelsey's mother call PF on the 25th? I keep looking for some proof of that, and I've read it here, but do we have a link from a MSM article that states that?
     
  11. BuySellTrade

    BuySellTrade Well-Known Member

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    Recall that PF received a text message from KB on 11/25 that explained her absence, the same day she texted her work that she would be gone and did not text her Mom or anyone else (and her phone pinged in Idaho). See Bold. Am being more than a tad sarcastic.

    Perhaps if a cover-up, the cover-up is too complicated. May take time to figure out. One has to wonder if PK is the culprit, has he been helped by anyone in his family?
     
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    So basically everything his attorney is doing, and what we are seeing, would be pretty normal and standard? Do you typically think that someone innocent would be following the same patterns to protect themselves? Assuming that the spouse or significant other is usually prime suspect, is this behavior unusual?
     
  13. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    I truly don’t believe that any fancy techniques were employed to throw off law enforcement here.

    We just don’t see murderers or kidnappers doing things like that, not with any regularity.

    When all is said and done, I think the text messages were sent via standard means. Somebody had her phone and physically sent those texts.

    That person was also in Idaho, for whatever reason.

    This part won’t be complicated.
     
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    Either her mother likes to put a good spin on everything or she doesn’t know her daughter as well as she thinks she does.
    I am very close to my daughter. Two weeks before she and her partner broke up they were here on vacation. Looked to be happy and in love to me. Two weeks later my daughter calls and tells me it’s over. They had been together for 5 years. She then proceeded to tell me how abusive, emotionally, her ex was. For five years all I heard about was how happy they were, blah, blah blah. My point is that I think KB might have been putting a good spin on the whole thing when she spoke with her mom. Was PF abusive? Is that why they were living apart, I mean even if she is a Christian they had already slept together because they have a child. This whole thing is as full of holes as Swiss Cheese. How old is PF? Living with his mom yet having a child and “fiancé? That’s a recipe for trouble in any relationship.
     
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    One thing that bothers me the most, if PF was involved how is the stone cold silence a good approach to come across as innocent? (I’ve watched a ton of true crime stories for over 25 years and don’t recall one like this ) if he was involved , as many have mentioned, he had a HUGE head start to cover it up. One would think he’d have his story ready .

    Also we don’t know if the very first officer who spoke to PF immediately accused him in a very abrasive manner and caused PF to shut down.

    There is a reason PF isn’t talking voluntarily (though I know lots of people who would never speak to media about anything, good or bad ) and it’s possible he feels he HAS told police everything he knows. jMO

    My niece has an extremely poor short term and long term memory. If she was in PF’s shoes I’d lawyer her up myself. She would be horrible at stating what she did hour by hour 3 weeks ago. She’d seem like she was hiding something or lying even if 100% innocent. And she is a college grad with a successful career which make it harder for LE to believe she really doesn’t remember. PF might be similar. MOO

    There is also a reason KBs mom isn’t being allowed to see baby K. We have no clue what she said to him on 12/2 when she found out he hadn’t heard from KB since 11/25, it could have been VERY nasty. Even people here are like “KB’s the mother of his child and even if PF barely knows her , it’s his duty to know her whereabouts and report her missing” If they just recently broke up he might have just thought she was avoiding him. And him having their daughter the majority of the time was normal for them evidently. JMO

    We also have zero clue how often KB’s mom has ever seen baby K . Maybe it’s hardly at all and PF is thinking ‘now you want to see her?’ My child has an absent grandparent who , if in this situation, would be all over media saying we are close (we aren't) and bemoaning not being allowed to see her. He hasn’t seen her in almost 3 years and we have offered. He lives 3 hours away. My BF’s mom has not met her newsest grandson and he’s 10 months, she only lives in the next state is retired and in great health. My child’s other grandpa didn’t meet her for 16 months....again only a 4 hour drive away.... and ALL of these grandparents claim they are extremely close to their kids and love their grandkids more than anything, especially on FB. And yes I’m projecting but not all families behave the same as a ‘normal’ family , even if they claim to be close.

    All that said I very well may regret trying to figure out where PF may be coming from with his behavior, and thinking that there must be WAY more to this story than we know. MOO

    I do know if my ex, we have a kid, went missing I would never speak to the press. Everyone says I have a blunt *itchy tone, especially when stressed. WS and everyone else would have me in the gallows within hours , even if my albi was I was on live TV the entire time he’s been missing (like being a Big Brother contestant for example)
     
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    not when you look at statistics and profiles of these cases. it's textbook. when crimes against women and children are considered to be worse than the inconvenience caused to the men who commit them by punishing them, and when protecting children is more important than a man's entitlements, this day will come.

     
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    in this day and age this is true. one day it will not be this way.

     
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    I just don't think even the quote itself was about addiction. The hashtag words are why it is being referenced now, but those could have been put on by a person hundreds of pins ago. And if you pin any type of motivation/inspiration/religious whatever kind of quotes - other similar pins/quotes are "suggested" for you as well. It's not like she would have to be searching those particular hashtag topics to come across those pins. They are on all kinds of boards of people pinning quotes.
     
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    But the two points are, why didn't he report her missing, and now knowing that she is missing, isn't at least putting a missing poster on his social media account?
     
  20. PrairieWind

    PrairieWind Verified Attorney

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    Yes to your first question. I don't understand (from a lawyer point of view) why some posters here are so upset with the attorney. He has done nothing that improper here. I understand that everyone hates lawyers, except their own lawyer. But I assure you, that your personal family lawyer that you've known and loved for years would be giving the exact same advice to a client.

    To the second part, is it normal? Its certainly not unusual, especially in this day and age. We increasingly see reports of criminals later exonerated because of false confessions, etc, and we how aggressive and selective in reporting that media can be. And, based upon passed experiences perhaps, many people have an extreme distrust of law enforcement. We have seen a lot of posts on these threads about PF's family in LE and the insinuation that they have helped him cover it up. But that cuts the other way too. What if there are officers on the local law enforcement that PF has had problems with in the past and he is worried they will try to railroad him.
     
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