CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #5

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  1. AmatuerDetective

    AmatuerDetective Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree. He is innocent. Until proven otherwise. But here's the thing, there are consequences for acting like an a-hole during an investigation like this. They are not legal but social. But for the last 2 weeks local LE has protected him from the social consequences by not informing the public that he was not submitting to a personal interview with the police. Given how little time there is to find a missing person and the late start they got on this investigation why LE didnt come forward as soon as PF lawyered up and inform the public is a mystery. All I can think of is perhaps on the outside chance she really was abducted by someone else by reporting PF wasn't talking may have caused some people to not be on the look out for KB.
     
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  2. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    Without her cell phone being active, it’s their best bet to locating her if she is still alive.

    If they’re used, LE will know.

    I don’t anticipate any activity though, for obvious reasons.
     
  3. Jennifer17

    Jennifer17 Former Member

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    Do you have to hand feed cattle at this time of the year in Colorado? Horses you pretty much have to feed with supplements to pasture whatever the season.
     
  4. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    No idea. I only eat cattle, I don’t feed them.
     
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  5. MtBab

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    IMO..a “ping” would be the IP address. It’s all in the terminology though. If LE says they “pinged” in Idaho, that would seem to say that it was triangulation because it points to a specific location (are they using the word pinged in a general sense (shrug?)).
     
  6. AmatuerDetective

    AmatuerDetective Well-Known Member

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    It was a real ping. Otherwise the FBI would not be involved in the search of PF's property. The only thing bringing them in at this stage is if the crime crossed state lines. If it was a false ping you wouldn't see the FBI
     
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  7. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I would assume there has been no activity or we would have heard about it.
     
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  8. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    No matter the terminology, I think the main takeaway is that they believe her phone was in Idaho on the 25th.
     
  9. stx722

    stx722 Well-Known Member

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    Re: pings. I'm also no expert, but there's a matter of semantics.
    ping can refer to a utility that is used to see if another computer exists or is online, etc. I use it most days at work.
    The common usage is when cell phones try and contact the nearest cell tower to say "I'm here"
    for GPS, call management, getting notifications, etc. This is always referred to as pinging. I guess that's a good term.

    I suppose a phone switch, a switch technician or other tech type person could "ping" a cell phone to help
    locate it. There's a subtle nuance between pinging a phone, and the phone pinging a tower. I just see the
    terms being confused and conflated often.

    Pinging and triangulation aren't bulletproof either.
    See here: What Your Cell Phone Can’t Tell the Police (A good read for technical aspects of cell phone systems).
    Relevant to this case, it can put KB phone within a radius of a cell tower somewhere near the location in Idaho.
    Doesn't tell who had it, or where that person was. Could I ship a phone somewhere, have a third party turn it on,
    send messages, have the phone contact the cell tower? Absolutely.

    This case reminds me of a couple of recent cases in terms of behavior of PF,
    as well as phones pinging in unexpected places. Neither scenario is encouraging. MOO
     
  10. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    The FBI can become involved in a case regardless of if a crime crosses state lines.

    All a local law enforcement agency has to do is ask.

    They have resources that aren’t readily available to most police departments.
     
  11. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    The ping and crossing state lines has nothing to do with the presence of the FBI Response Team. The FBI is assisting the WPPD in the investigation. MOO
     
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    Seattle1 #LIVELIKELIZZY

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    Mom & Dad - Sandpoint, Idaho (formerly about 160 miles away in Eastern WA).
     
  13. Jennifer17

    Jennifer17 Former Member

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    Lol!
     
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    @MassGuy, but you assume KB is PF’s fiancée. All we know is that they have a baby together and leave separately. We have no proof he is her fiancé. I suspect he is not.

    It is true that normal people will do everything to help locate a missing person if it is their SO. What if it is an “ex”?

    Same about “loved one”. What if they are not in love? What if PF does not know where KB is, but suspects something, and merely does not want to disclose too much personal information, in case she is alive? He could have said it all to the LE.

    Not that I exonerate PF, I merely think we have zero information about the arrangement of that couple, if indeed they are a couple.
     
  15. BRRI

    BRRI Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily. Local LE can request FBI assistance.

    Edit: I’m late to the reply party again I see. Don’t mind me
     
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    PrairieWind Verified Attorney

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    At the press conference the chief did say it was a "multi-state" investigation. So I assume they believe the Idaho "ping" to be legit. So there is investigation going on there and perhaps Wyoming and Utah as well since someone driving to Idaho from Colorado would need to go through them. I believe the FBI is involved because they have been asked to help by local police. Not based upon independent federal jurisdiction (though that could change).
     
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    I’m not sure since they said it could be a false ping. I think they probably have one data point and that’s it, so they can’t 100% confirm. I think they acknowledge the possibility in the event that it was a correct location.
     
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    That would mean 3 day duration from last seen (at Safeway) until “ping” on the 25th. Interesting there is no footage of her leaving the store...did she have a few groceries or enough to last a while without needing money?
     
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    I thought they were in Laclede? I think their church is in Sandpoint...?
    MOO
     
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  20. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    I can throw out the “fiance” and “in love” things, as I actually believe that might be the case anyways.

    It still doesn’t explain not reporting the mother of his child missing, nor his unwillingness to help locate her.

    If he told the police information of a personal nature, information that allowed for an alternate explanation as to her disappearance, they clearly didn’t believe him.

    They wouldn’t have served a search warrant otherwise.
     
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