CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #5

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  1. katie565

    katie565 Well-Known Member

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    You mean Wednesday night, right?
     
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    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I didn't see that. It would seem to imply she went missing on Thanksgiving but then maybe because of the text message she wasn't assumed missing at that point. Until she never returned.
     
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  3. Charlot123

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    TBH, putting myself in his shoes...heck, i’d cooperate about any missing person.

    And I do think that wherever the cell phone pinged, might be less important than what is on PF’s farm.

    Sadly, I do feel time has been lost. And also, think of this. Thanksgiving weekend. Great time for any activity to be unnoticed. Farm workers might have taken time off.

    This is what is on my mind, subjectively. It is intuition. Objectively, I am not prepared to accuse anyone as I don’t know anything about Kelsey’s life.

    What a strange situation. In the Wattses’ case, we knew a lot about the players, and then, some. Here, 5+ threads, I don’t know a thing about Kelsey. It is very sad.
     
  4. katie565

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    <mod fix broken quote>

    If you know, I’m assuming CBI, FBI and local LE knows but you’ve let them know just in case, right?
     
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  5. Jennifer17

    Jennifer17 Former Member

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    BBM. I am not sure how many farm workers you would have on a 35 acre property with a couple of horses and a few cattle.
     
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  6. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    The lack of clarity about everything, means that I am unsure of anything.

    The Watts case was the opposite in that regard, and certainly the opposite in regards to what we knew about the victim.

    We had no shortage of information about her life, probably too much information (it was weaponized after all).

    But I’d rather too much than too little, which is where we find ourselves here.
     
  7. BuySellTrade

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    Hence the statement that I was being more than a tad sarcastic. I think PF in some manner was the author of the text(s) sent from KB's phone, not KB.

    I miss-typed on the PF. Oops. Be gentle I am new to posting.
     
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  8. AmatuerDetective

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    It doesnt. You just keep going where the facts lead you. A judge approved a sealed warrant to search PF's property and his truck. A warrant must be based on reliable information showing probable cause. Meaning the police need to show a judge the evidence they have that leads them to believe a crime was committed on his property and using his truck. The warrant is sealed as to not tip off the suspect what LE knows. So its safe to say LE presented some evidence that the red pickup they towed away was somehow involved in KB's disappearance or they couldn't have had it towed.
     
  9. Charlot123

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    What is BBM? (I Googled, btw. Too many answers. My favorite one is Big Beautiful Man, but you mean something else, right?)
     
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    Jennifer17 Former Member

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    B
    Or it could be Big Bad Mumma, but it is boringly just that part that is bolded has been Bolded By Me.
     
  11. katie565

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    You’re unsure of what?
     
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    Laclede is an unincorporated community about 15 miles from the city of Sandpoint
     
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    I sense some loneliness about her situation. A young beautiful woman, a flight instructor and a mother, is last seen on Thanksgiving day, and no one notices her absence. There is a text to work, but how come no coworker calls to check if she is OK?

    That means, no close coworkers.

    The so-called fiancé is thinking about himself.

    Neither friends nor neighbors in view.

    Mom lives far away, but is the first to notice that her child is missing.

    So unbelievably sad.
     
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    It was worded awkwardly like many things in this case, but another reporter asked for that statement to be clarified at the end of the press conference. The police chief responded: "She... was off on the 22nd, and then she got ahold of her employer, and requested time off, or [rather] advised that she was going to be off."
     
  15. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    Any of the pertinent details.

    We know very little here, and only have strange behavior and suspicion to go on.

    Everything is clouded in mystery.
     
  16. PommyMommy

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    Lol, I apologize if I came across as harsh! I should have asked you to clarify what you were being sarcastic about. I may have a small case of the crankies tonight too. :oops:
     
  17. Elle*Bee

    Elle*Bee We're all just stories in the end.

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    I’m getting a Crystal Rogers vibe. Young mother goes missing. SO uncooperative. Crystal hasn’t been found, her father died in a hunting incident (no arrests) barely a year later. Crystal’s mother has been very outspoken that she believes Crystal’s boyfriend (father of her youngest child) was responsible for Crystal’s disappearance.

    She petitioned the court for grandparents visitation and initially won. However, a judge since ruled that grandma, Sherry Ballard, be denied visitation because it was believed that she was negatively influencing her grandson.

    Something tells me Kelsey’s mother is hoping to avoid this. JMO
     
  18. SandyQLS

    SandyQLS may your life be filled with armadillos

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    We have no way of knowing, but isn't it very common for LE to work with the DA on SW's, and for the DA to tell them "not enough yet, go get more evidence"? LE/DA may even have been rebuffed by a judge as long ago as Dec 3 on not enough probable cause? Pressers and vigils highlight the case to the broader public, and I keep wondering if that critical witness or CCTV footage finally arrived because of these actions.

    Other posters pointed out this theory about a Christmas tree upthread (I was thinking this, too): KB & K should have arrived home from Safeway about 1PM. What if PF arrived, said let's skip going out to eat and go up to my ranch to find a tree? PF could have offered to have a quiet in-home evening, he'll set up the tree brought back in his truck, let's eat sandwiches. KB might have been happy about this change of plans. The 3 leave in his truck, KB still in casual clothes, cars at her house.

    If a neighbor saw KB get in a red truck on Thanksgiving, or even a dinner guest of a neighbor like that relative who is always going outside to smoke, and has now made a statement of what they saw, that might be enough probable cause?
     
  19. AmatuerDetective

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    Why dont we know more? Thats a serious question. Is there a reason we dont know more about these two?

    Seems like the family has been told the less information out there the better. That runs contrary to every missing person case I've ever heard about.

    Of course you dont want to give material facts about the investigation away but how does knowing why these two were living apart and creating a broken home for their daughter if they had intentions to marry? Could very well be for religious purposes but why is that so difficult to tell people when you are looking for their help to find someone. It just causes speculation and rumor which takes away people from coming up with ideas to find the missing person. This whole thing has been strange.
     
  20. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    <modsnip - quoted post and response removed>
    The how. The why. The where. The when. Did anyone help?

    With Watts we knew all of those things, atleast with a degree of confidence.

    We don’t know those things here.
     
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