Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #50 *ARREST*

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  1. ilovechili

    ilovechili Well-Known Member

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    I would agree. She had to say things like she was scared of him, she believed KB was awful and abusive, she TRIED to leave a trail for police, etc. to justify her sick and twisted actions. She knows how evil she looks otherwise. To me she still looks that evil, doesn't fool me one bit. jmo.
     
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    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    I so agree. After lying to LE the first time, she had a chance to work on a story, maybe her bff helped her.
    I am stunned anyone believes a word she says. Jmo
     
  3. ilovechili

    ilovechili Well-Known Member

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    You actually do have a point and a good one. I think CB will be pretty believable and be able to explain this in both cases though.

    Yet I agree that a defense may use that and more. To me, anyone who thinks a defense will not mount a helluva case or has automatically assumed what the jury will do or who will be on it and what the prosecution has or the defense may have has tunnel vision or is naive imo. I agree with you on that. LE and other attorneys say the same. Only an insider could know what they have.

    And saying so is not a knock on LE or the prosecution. Cases vary. Jurors vary.

    jmo.
     
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  4. Plo_Koon

    Plo_Koon Former Member

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    I just was curious I guess with the context. You're clarification is much appreciated. I 100% agree with you, and I also feel like that kind of wraps into my thoughts of PF potentially looking to blame the entire thing on KK as the jealous other woman commiting murder while trying to completely absolve himself. I'm kind of torn because I don't know if he is smart enough to pull that off (he's not as he was riding around with his and KB's phone). But if he was truly verbally and physically abusive, then I think he may know a thing or two about manipulation of young females.

    I guess it's the fact that I'm not a narcissistic maniac, but I can NEVER understand in these cases how it's not a simpler solution to get a divorce and split custody no matter in what manner than it is to commit a murder that's going to clearly ensure you get NO CUSTODY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE
     
  5. ilovechili

    ilovechili Well-Known Member

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    Yep, pretty hard to believe her. I quite frankly do not, with regard to much. However, I doubt the LE believes it all either but they have to work with what they have. She is not ideal, that is for darned sure.
     
  6. Reachingfornettles

    Reachingfornettles Well-Known Member

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    IMO KK definetly wanted KB dead, especially if she was going to be in Pfs life because now KB is going to know who KK is and say she is psycho because she came to her house and gave her a coffee. How could she ever explain that. So I feel as though she definitely wanted her dead. To cover her own devious ways from being discovered. Had nothing to do with that baby being abused or threats on her babies... pure evil jealousy.
     
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    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    I”m not sure there is such a thing as an ideal plea deal witness.

    Hence the plea deal in the first place.

    One things for sure, with all the time between now and trial she will be prepped extensively
     
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    HLN on Twitter
    Tomorrow at Noon ET watch the #HLN Investigation "Vanished: Kelsey Berreth's Nightmare." Colorado mom #KelseyBerreth vanished on Thanksgiving Day. Nearly 4-months later, her body has yet to be found... but cops believe her fiancé may know more than he's letting on.
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  9. ilovechili

    ilovechili Well-Known Member

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    I could not agree more with everything you said here. We can't think like they do and if we could well then that would be a reason to worry too right :)

    I think he may well have been setting her up to a point. I doubt either fully trusted the other. Yet I know what you mean was he smart enough to truly set her up? Seems like a contradiction. One has to take it with a grain of salt probably, but the ex gf in Dateline said he was very smart. So he is hard to figure out because actions are contradictory (smart enough to set her up but too dumb to figure out some other big blunders??) and he has said nothing. I have learned in life that some can be smart in one area but totally dumb in another, I don't know that that explains it but I guess it is what I come down to. Or he had tunnel vision, was focused on setting up KK and getting rid of KB but fell down with other parts? No idea. I truly wonder if something failed the night before... So the plan had to change some...

    I think they both had their individual reasons to want her dead. There may well have been a bit of manipulation both ways. But it is only speculation of course. I do think however that they each made their choices. Yes, things can contribute, being battered, abused, a bad childhood, a belief of a story one is told, etc. but they know right from wrong and they both made their own choices. As you said, get a divorce, fight for custody, leave her, etc. And with KK, refuse, run for help and protection if truly afraid of him. Neither did those things.

    All just my opinion and I so agree with your post here.
     
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    Ugh Sorry about quoting your post twice I was trying to get a piece of it to quote but couldn’t figure out how to do it.
    You said “PF tried to farm this out because he wasn't even man enough to do it himself, and then he bashed a promising young girl and mother's skull with a baseball bat”.
    ITA with this but what finally brings him to do it himself after months of trying to get others to do it?
     
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    DBM
     
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  12. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    Yeah, there never is.

    Hitmen testify against solicitors.

    Murderers testify against other murderers.

    People who act as accessories to grotesque crimes, testify against those who are more culpable.

    Sammy the Bull, a murderer of atleast 19 people, testified against John Gotti, helping to put him away for life.

    The jury doesn’t have to like them, nor do they have to believe everything they have to say, but generally, they help immensely.

    KK will be huge.
     
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    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    Because he wanted it done, and didn’t want to wait any longer.

    He was ultimately willing to take on the risk, and get his hands dirty.

    This type of thing happens quite often. It’s not easy to find a real hitman.
     
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    Just to clarify, as I don't want to be misconstrued as a supporter of either of these two. B

    Also, chili, sometimes I think his original insistence that KK be the one to drive the body with her back to ID, and also having her be the one with the cell phones MAY have been further attempts to pin it on her, with hopes she would be pulled over with the body. A good part of me thinks that a man who is carrying on a relationship with the mother of his child while also carrying one on with another girl states away is certainly not above his own personal ideals that he would be able to use that to manipulate the situation to his advantage. Even if that was the case, though, it's still nowhere near enough information to change my opinion of KK as a heartless idiot.
     
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    This was 100% going to be my response. Thank you, MassGuy.
     
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    MOO, he is a narcissistic moron who thought he was smarter than all parties involved. He ultimately wanted KB dead, and IMO, he realized KK may not report his soliciations to LE but she also may just not have it in her to go through with the actual physical murder.
    He thought he was smart enough to see that with the Thanksgiving holiday coming, he could take care of this himself and then has the holiday to use to support his stupid little "OH YEAH WE BROKE UP! SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO VISIT FAMILY" fable.
     
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  17. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    I think you could make an argument that he planned to pin the solicitation murder attempts on KK, but I don’t think he planned to implicate her, after he took it upon himself to murder KB.

    He is so connected to this plot (phone records, lies, video evidence), that for KK to get caught with KB’s body, would be the equivalent of him getting caught as well.

    Everything he did, seems to indicate that he wanted this not to look like a crime at all.

    She just left on her own.
     
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    Without her car. No wonder everyone realizes he is a dolt.

    MassGuy, do you think PF sought out or was given any information by his LE family members?
     
  19. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    It all depends on their relationship, and if he was forthcoming with them in the first place.

    It does appear that his brother offered him advice, as shortly after they met with investigators, PF lawyered up.

    There’s no way of knowing if it went further than that, or what his family knew.
     
  20. ilovechili

    ilovechili Well-Known Member

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    I can't disagree, all possible. I can even picture him calling her in himself anonymously after she left with the body lol--speculation only but who knows... This case is pretty twisted as are the characters.

    Yes I agree--someone that cheats is generally telling the gf he hates his wife, she is a terrible mother, bad wife, he is with her only for the children, there is no sex, he will leave her one day for the gf (or in this case, not wife but significant other/mother of his child); pretty similar to what he was saying to select neighbors, etc. Then he is telling the wife/SO just the opposite... I think he could use that to manipulate the situation as you said and I also can believe his lies to each were starting to unravel, with one or the other or both and about to collide.

    I wonder if we will every truly know everything.
     
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