Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #51 *ARREST*

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  1. jewelsmac

    jewelsmac No one really knows why anyone does anything

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    In my opinion that pretty much sums it up
     
  2. Trocroc9

    Trocroc9 Well-Known Member

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    Dbm
     
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    Trocroc9 Well-Known Member

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  4. Colorado303

    Colorado303 Verified Insider Watts Case

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    Agree. Seems strange to me PF would care that much about custody — he doesn’t strike me as a loving, nurturing father. Or loving, nurturing anything. I’m sure he didn’t want to give KB another penny but wonder if MaMa F was holding a potential inheritance or permanant meal ticket out to him as long as he had custody. There had to be something else in it for him beyond being able to raise his daughter full time. IMO
     
  5. Colorado303

    Colorado303 Verified Insider Watts Case

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    That would be pretty clever — I guess it’s possible PF is just pretending to be an idiot but it’s hard for me to look at the boneheaded things he’s done and said and believe he’s smart enough to be that cunning.
     
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  6. skyedaze

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    I think he is cunning enough to follow through and do it...not sure he is smart enough to think it up all on his own or complete it correctly.
     
  7. 24Brix

    24Brix Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. We also can’t forget just how far forensics have come.

    Begin MOO:

    I have no doubt they can tell the difference between the intentional blood spatter and “natural” spatter.
    There’s even a process called Raman spectrography that can accurately assess the age of blood spatter if it’s less than two years old.

    The same goes for digital forensics. It’s virtually impossible to permanently eliminate data now — on the device or in the cloud. They have a treasure trove of info that we’ve only had the smallest glimpse into. PF surrendered his phone, no doubt after his best attempt to clean it up. But they have every non-voice conversation he had with everyone for the last 90 days — and probably longer if the phone was backing up to the cloud — KB, KK, SF, SF2, RS, and who knows how many others.

    They have every Google search whether is was in-the-clear or incognito. Location history? They got it. It doesn’t matter if it was deleted or not. It doesn’t matter if it was disabled or not. Too many apps are tracking us now. The average forensic phone dump is about 2500 clear-text pages and it can take a while to go through all of it. Multiply that by the number of online backups they find.

    And accelerants are volatile. If they can detect them, they can probably estimate when they were used just like they can estimate ToD on a body.

    The DA knows so much more than we do. I’m confident justice will be served.

    End MOO. :)
     
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  8. skyedaze

    skyedaze Well-Known Member

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    Yeah..something's missing here.
     
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  9. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    This is certainly an odd one.

    We see men do this sort of thing, while they are in the midst of a divorce.

    No divorce here, because there was never a marriage.

    No custody fight, as these two apparently had a viable arrangement.

    Despite what PF claimed, it appears that these two were still an item (in Kelsey’s eyes), atleast up until he killed her.

    So while I do think that custody was a motive, all the usual things that lead up to a crime like this, simply aren’t there.

    “Something’s missing here,” alright.

    Then again, you could say the same about PF.
     
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  10. skyedaze

    skyedaze Well-Known Member

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    LOL!
    I wonder what it is???
    Probably something stupid.
     
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  11. Hatch

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    IMO KB was not pregnant, it seems the first pregnancy was a surprise with no marriage to follow, I truly believe KB would not make that mistake again without a wedding ring. Once bitten twice shy. Yes history proves KK is a liar and possibly a manipulator but honest even KK and certainly not PF would of thought to spread blood all over a small condo and leave used tampons in the trash. Neither KK or PF are masterminds or they would not be where they are today , KK with a plea deal that could backfire on her if she has told even the smallest of lies, and PF in jail looking at LWOP.
    DBM partial
     
  12. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Knowing PF, it’s DEFINITELY something stupid.

    Unfortunately, we’ll have to wait a while to figure out what the specifics of the motive are.

    I do think we’ll end up with a fairly coherent picture though.
     
  13. LietKynes

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    SABBM

    ^^^ Exactly.

    What a control freak.
    Everything this lunatic has verbalized or posted about Kelsey just solidifies the fact that she was a responsible person and a better human than PF could ever hope to be.

    Also interested in the environment PF was raised, and if his mother was influential in much of his decision-making ?
    We'll most likely never know, unless someone within the family or close friend talks.

    Hoping they'll find something of evidentiary value at the landfill , as sad as that sounds !
     
  14. NanZDrew

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    Sounds like she was totally blindsided.
     
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  15. Hatch

    Hatch Well-Known Member

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    I think he lived and stayed close to momma for the pie in the sky someday, PF is the kind of guy that enough is never enough he wants it all $$$ and control of everything and everyone around him.
    Adding: he surrounded himself with people he could control and kick the S--t out of when he needed to pump his ego up.
     
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  16. NanZDrew

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    I remember one of his classmates saying he just had a certain crowd of friends that he hung out. I sort of think, like CW, he wasn't that socially adept. He probably was insecure being in a different setting and didn't want to put himself in a situation where he might look stupid.
     
  17. skyedaze

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    Yep.
    The way he killed KB was more than just mean.
     
  18. NanZDrew

    NanZDrew Well-Known Member

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    Really, so much of her story is hearsay. What Patrick wanted her to say. I really hope that it happened this way...since she did die...so that she would not conceiveably suffer as much.
     
  19. NanZDrew

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    I believe I remember hearing these statistics when Lacey Peterson was killed.
     
  20. FromGermany

    FromGermany Well-Known Member

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    https://goldmanlaw303.com/termination-of-parental-rights-in-colorado

    Involuntary Termination of Parental Rights

    If the court feels that it is in the best interests of the child, they may decide to take away parental rights. By doing this, the individual is no longer considered to be a child’s legal parent.

    To order a termination of parental rights, the court must find clear and convincing evidence of any of the following:

    • The child has been abandoned by his or her parent
    • The parent is deemed unfit due to mental illness, emotional illness, or mental deficiency rendering him or her unlikely to care for the child’s physical, emotional, and mental needs in a timely manner
    • A pattern of abuse, sexual abuse, torture, or extreme cruelty to the child, the child’s sibling, or another child of either parent
    Seems, PF worked this part of the list thoroughly before the murder .... All his accusations, he told his friends/clients/family about poor KB, who probably didn't know.

    A parent must also go to court for a hearing before parental rights can be terminated. The only exception to this rule is when the relinquishment involves a child below one year of age, as there are laws that allow for a quicker process if the other natural parent cannot be found or does not object.

    I was searching for a reason, why PF may have started his soliciting since Sept. 1st. What had happened in August? Perhaps, he "had enough" then (as he said) and he became aware, that the process of getting 100% custody of little K would be more easy before her first birthday in October?
     
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