Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #51 *ARREST*

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  1. CDB

    CDB Well-Known Member

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    I originally thought this too, but I went and read the search warrant closely and discovered it was PF's phone that hit the tower when he called the Idaho number and it called back.

    Page 13 on this search warrant.
    https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-120 Search Warrant.pdf
     
  2. GordianKnot

    GordianKnot Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but in all fairness, let's give credit where credit is due.

    Sure, LE's built a beautiful case, but it's PF who supplied them with all the Legos.

    Probably kept them stashed in his toybox, along with his Woody from Toy Story doll.

    JMO.
     
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  3. indicolite22

    indicolite22 Well-Known Member

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    No credit to KK?
     
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  4. GordianKnot

    GordianKnot Well-Known Member

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    Frankly, the only thing I credit that woman with is having an iron stomach.

    JMO.
     
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  5. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    She obviously made tremendous contributions, but it was PF involving her in the first place, that led to his downfall.

    Coupled with his lies, and idiotic cell phone activity, I’m giving him most of the credit for digging his own grave.

    She couldn’t squeal on him, if PF didn’t first enlist her help.
     
  6. GordianKnot

    GordianKnot Well-Known Member

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    I do love your turn of phrase...."squeal."

    So apropos.

    JMO.
     
  7. ab01

    ab01 Well-Known Member

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    I think the hamster on that wheel don't move too good......
     
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  8. jewelsmac

    jewelsmac No one really knows why anyone does anything

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    I so agree....As most of us on here who follow cases and look at the details know...even given the case and forensic evidence on a silver platter, there are some agencies that will screw that up beyond repair.

    I think LE and the DA's office here has done a terrific job.

    They had a lot of help from PF and KK and their special level of dim-witted hijinks, no doubt. But, sadly, there are many who would not have done much with all this.

    I am just hoping Necrosearch has all the same success.
     
  9. steeltowngirl

    steeltowngirl Well-Known Member

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    I was searching for that exact thing earlier. I was searching the timeline for “target shooting”. I seem to remember the gun being given back the night before (on 11/21) and that KB told CB she “felt safe” and had gone or was going to go target shooting. And that she told CB that the night before. Maybe I’m remembering it incorrectly, but I’d swear we discussed it before. Hmmm.... going to search some more.
     
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  10. steeltowngirl

    steeltowngirl Well-Known Member

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    RE: the gun given back to KB. Seems to be discrepancies in the reporting from the Prelim hearing

    11 a.m.: Cheryl also said that Kelsey told her it was "nice to have her gun back" and that "she felt safe now," according to Slater. He learned from Cheryl that Frazee took Kelsey's gun after they had an argument over finances on Jan. 1, 2017. During that argument, Berreth allegedly said "Maybe I'd be better off dead" and pointed the gun at herself. Slater says Berreth got the gun back on Nov. 22, 2018
    Accomplice: Kelsey Berreth was blindfolded, beaten, burned by fiance

    Adams said Berreth’s mother claimed her daughter had been with Frazee the night before her disappearance. That evening, Berreth’s mother said her daughter called again to say Frazee had given her her gun back, and that she had gone target shooting.
    CBI: Idaho nurse claimed Patrick Frazee fatally beat Kelsey Berreth, burned her body
     
  11. OldLadyBlues

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    I have a narcissistic family member like that. When she closes her eyes, she disappears.:rolleyes:
     
  12. steeltowngirl

    steeltowngirl Well-Known Member

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    “She felt safe now” implied to me that KB felt safer in general, having her self protection back. Oddly, there aren’t a lot of indications that KB feared PF, aside from the hospital outburst and there were some unhappy horse customers. Of course, we’ve heard KK was afraid.

    And I wouldn’t be surprised if Ma F wasn’t herself afraid of PF.

    I’m sure we will hear much more at trial, especially if there was a history of threats or abuse. We shall see.
     
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  13. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Yeah, I don’t think KB feared PF, despite seeing flashes of his dark side.

    The night before he murdered her, she was out running errands for him, and helping him with his animals.

    She obviously cared for him.

    I also don’t think she would have fallen for his candle sniffing ruse, had she felt that something bad was likely to happen.
     
  14. Kapua

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    ITA. Local LE, CBI, and the FBI did a superb job, arrested this nematode in under three weeks without a body, and got baby K swiftly to the custody of her maternal grandmother in the process. And kudos to the judge who denied bail, also. I can't think of a similar case with such a speedy arrest. There are so many cases that go cold for years, or are not ever brought to trial.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Welcome to websleuths!!! Thought provoking first post.
     
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  16. Kapua

    Kapua Well-Known Member

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    I think of KB as a sweet, spiritual, somewhat reserved person who looked for the good in everyone. When I follow cases, I try to get a feel for the essence of the victims without overly idealizing them. Some are sweet, some are spunky, but none deserve to have their lives cut short by another. MOO
     
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    Where was little K, if/when KB had gone target shooting?
    Where was little K, if/when KB had gone cattle checking?
    Does a mum or dad really take a one year old to these nocturnal employments?
     
  18. NanZDrew

    NanZDrew Well-Known Member

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    This has also been worrisome to me, and I reached pretty similiar conclusions as you in regards to her meaning "safe" as in emotionally safe or stable. I am unsure as to whether PF said this or if this is what PF told CB. The deal with the gun went back to New Year's Eve after the baby was born. KB put a gun to her head and threatened to shoot herself. PF took her gun away at that time. This was mentioned by CB so it apparently happened. Remember that PF said that they broke up on New Year's Eve of the previous year. This is my theory, at this point, connecting some of the dots. I think that KB expected that they would get married now that the baby was born. I think that was when PF used the lack of money to delay marrying her and she was devastated and probably ashamed because she had had a baby out of wedlock and now the dad was not marrying her. It appears that they did not fully break up, and had an up and down relationship. I feel this is what put KB in a deep depression. I think she also emotionally started pulling away from him. For some people, when you expect to spend a lifetime with someone and are deeply committed you can't just poof, and walk away. You slowly start to separate emotionally and detach. PF likely sensed this and would tug on her heart strings to pull her back. He wanted control ove whether she stayed or left. I think she was afraid of him and wanted to leave but was also afraid to do so.

    I think that Patrick gave the gun back and said she seemed to be in an emotionally good place in order to make sure CB and law enforcement knew that she had a gun. Obviously that gun was missing. This was to set the stage that she went somewhere and committed suicide. He mentioned this in his interview with law enforcement. To both CB and LE, he made sure it sounded like she was stable and good with the breakup...in fact, as though she were the one beaking up. It would have been negligent of him to give the gun back if she were distraught, so he needed to play up what a good place she was in. This could have been believeable that she hiked out somewhere and ended things, but that would have required that it be local and there were those Idaho pings. Idaho could have been believeable, but her vehicles were in the driveway. To have come up with elaborate scenarios and then forgot key points is just so weird.
     
  19. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    Freaky Frazee....it's a whole different level of weird!
     
  20. Hatch

    Hatch Well-Known Member

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    I am not surprised he had 2-3 but is it important where at least two of those truck were on the 21-24 th? As far as we know there is no video of PF in a truck with a tote in the back. I WS just curious with all the back n forth on the early morning hours of the 22 nd, I doubtedKB left her vehicle at the ranch, when she went with PF to check cattle.
     
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