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Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #52 *ARREST*

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  1. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    Another informative article regarding the texts:

    MAR 7, 2019
    Cops find bags of adult teeth at Patrick Frazee’s property in search for Kelsey Berreth: Documents
    [...]

    Included in the documents released on Wednesday is a search warrant of Frazee’s residence in Florissant, Colorado, and the findings of investigators. According to the records, Woodland Park police searched the property on December 14, and found “multiple bags containing adult molars in multiple rooms throughout the residence”that Patrick shared with his mother Sheila Frazee.

    Frazee was arrested and charged with murder the week following the discovery of the teeth and additional evidence, including bottles of bleach and other household cleaning products that tested positive for traces of blood.

    [...]

    The search warrants further detail text message exchanges between Berreth’s phone and Frazee’s phone that authorities believe took place after Berreth’s death.
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  2. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    One more... :)

    MAR 7, 2019
    Warrants reveal cell phone evidence in Frazee case
    [...]

    With help from Verizon, police were able to track both of their phone locations on Thanksgiving Day.

    A figure developed after securing a warrant for Frazee’s phone and Verizon records for both his and Berreth’s phones showed how police tracked the devices appearing to travel together. Around 5 p.m., the phones both ping off the same tower in Florissant. They were traveling southwest, from Woodland Park, heading toward Frazee’s residence.

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    The figure above shows their rates of travel, which police were able to calculate when they received information on each phone’s response time to the tower. Berreth’s phone is the arc on the left, and Frazee’s is the larger arc on the right.

    “That’s how you get that arc that shows that approximately that cell phone is, you know, a mile, a mile-and-a-half away from that tower,” Pfoff said.

    Then, there’s evidence of a plot in text messages police obtained between Berreth and Frazee’s phones.

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    [...]

    Using the location data, police have now determined this was a plan Frazee developed to distance himself as a murder suspect, something Pfoff said can be common in this type of case.

    “Based on this, his plan is clearly to show that she’s still alive much later than she was. That’s pretty obvious.”
     
  3. Trocroc9

    Trocroc9 Well-Known Member

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    You said text messages aren’t important but I think they are. That’s my point.
     
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  4. Brooklyngirl84

    Brooklyngirl84 Well-Known Member

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    lol @ two things:

    - the notion that a mom of a child under two years old would NOT check in on her baby once in a 8 hour window is ridiculous. According to those texts, “KB” told PF she was going for a run at 732am, then doesn’t appear again until 3:13pm (15:13) when she’s suddenly shopping. Sure, Jan.

    - after the shopping text, she goes ghost for another two hours until she pops up again and asks PF to keep the baby for the night. Additionally, one would think she were asking PF to keep watch on a plant for another night. No texts about, “I’ll call in a little while to say goodnight to Kaylee,” or “tell Kaylee I love her and miss her!”

    This is not how the vast majority of toddler moms act. We smother our babies with love. We know they miss us when we are away for just a little bit. We don’t casually ask people to keep them for another night like it’s NBD. And we certainly don’t disappear for long periods of time while they are in someone else’s care without so much as asking a question about how the child’s day went. Did they nap? What did they eat? Did they poop/pee, etc?
     
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  5. NanZDrew

    NanZDrew Well-Known Member

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    Might be a worse punishment. She will be scorned and have to see people whispering behind her back. Daily she will be reminded of what her life was like and what is like now as an outcast. Still deserves way more jail time and scary to know that there are people like her slithering amongst us.
     
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  6. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    False.

    At no point did I say that “text messages aren’t important.”

    I said:

    “As for who sent those texts from KB’s phone, it doesn’t really matter.

    If KK sent them, they were under his direction, as he was the one who had the story to sell.

    Their phones (PF’s and KB’s) being in the same location at the time, doesn’t make it relevant anyways.”

    So, to restate:

    If KK sent them, great.

    If PF sent them, great

    PF’s phone being in the same vicinity as KB’s phone when the texts were sent, is what matters.

    I’m confident that he sent every one of them himself, with the exception of the two that KK sent to him and Doss respectively.

    But if she did it, it doesn’t change the case.

    So I ask again, what is the point of this train of thought regarding the text messages?

    I’m genuinely confused.
     
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  7. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    Thanks for explaining this so perfectly every single time, MG!
     
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  8. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    You appeared to me to be saying that the texts were important because it may be showing that KB was still alive on the 24th or morning of the 25th.

    I think his point was those texts were 'not important in that way' because the phones pinged as being together so they were not really coming from KB at her home texting PF at his.
     
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  9. Only4Justice

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    Wait a minute. They recovered teeth at the franch? I missed this!
     
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  10. steeltowngirl

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    My read on the text dilemma is that there are some lingering doubts out there about a few things. And questions are being asked from a perspective of “Trust.. but Verify”. The defense certainly will raise the questions, if and when this ever goes to trial.

    Mainly:
    -Was KB deceased on Nov 22?
    -Who had control of each phone?
    -Whereabouts of KK throughout the period of 11/21 to 11/25.
    -Was their yet another accomplice, conspirator, accessory?

    I believe the evidence is a slam dunk that it went down as per the affidavit. But I also get that folks want to be sure that all the participants in this heinous crime are brought to justice.

    All IMO
     
  11. Ultra Violet

    Ultra Violet . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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    Agree 100%. We don’t have kids but any time I am away from home for more than an hour I text my husband for an update on the dog.

    Granted, when it is “his time” she could be a little more hands off about their daughter, but the level of interaction we can see prior to when she was likely murdered makes that long gap seem odd. Especially because they seem to be making plans together but then he says he did not see her. Add in the weird tone the texts take afterwards and something is definitely out of the ordinary.

    Would love to see several days worth of texts previous to what we have been shown, but I am guessing the patterns of normal and abnormal behavior are even more obvious to LE with all the info they have at their disposal.

    all moo.
     
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  12. GordianKnot

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    There's absolutely nothing wrong with asking questions.
    A lot of us here have questions we wish we had answers to right now about KB's murder.
    Many of the questions being asked now are more than likely going to remain unanswered until the trial.

    The DA does not have to produce any more evidence or present his case until the trial.
    It would be entirely inappropriate for DA May to present his case and lay out all the case evidence to the public in advance of the trial.
    The DA is in possession of many, many more facts, and much, much more evidence, than any of us have even an inkling about.

    DA May, being in possession of all the facts and evidence, has charged PF, and PF alone, with the murder of KB.
    Frankly, that tells us a lot. Or it should, anyway.

    KK is a terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad person.
    KK actions and inactions r/t the murder solicitations by PF prior to KB's murder and her cleanup duties and cover-up activities in the aftermath of KB's murder are morally reprehensible. She's a repulsive snake.
    PF should have known better than to trust a snake like KK.
    But this is PF we're talking about here.
    He thought he could charm the snake.

    The DA made an offer to KK: testify against PF, in exchange for a sweetie beauty of a deal.
    She took it.
    Probably the only smart thing she's done.
    The snake PF thought he charmed is going to bite him. Fortunately.

    KK has not been charged with the murder of KB.
    KK is not going to be tried for the murder of KB.

    PF has been charged with the murder of KB.
    PF is going to be tried for the murder of KB.

    We all have questions.
    For me, "Whodunnit?" is definitely not one of them.

    Whodunnit is PF.

    All of the Above: JMO.
     
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    One little detail (among many) that has been bothering me: KK took PF back to the condo to get his truck sometime after she was done cleaning up. I can't find any mention anywhere of him going to the condo on the 24th.

    The Sonic footage and the eagle-eyed WS folks seems to finally have provided a partial answer.

    Based on what we have known, I thought KK came into town, swung by the ranchette to get the condo keys, cleaned up, went to Sonic and then met PF at the Conoco. I did wonder where she left her car when they went to retrieve the tote.

    If PF and Baby K were in the car with KK at Sonic and they subsequently had to go get his pickup at the condo, then it sure sounds like PF and Baby K met up with KK at the condo and then went to Sonic together.
     
  14. PommyMommy

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    I will see your "Whodunnit" and raise you a "Whenhedunnit" - Nov. 22 between 1:25 and 3:13 p.m. MOO
     
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    That is a great idea. Never thought of that, maybe I can cut and paste or something--not something I do much of. I am just (for my own clarity) wanting to put those things together.

    KB and PF sent texts and had phone calls, KK and PF did, PF and ma had a phone call or two, PF had KB's phone and made calls and texts, KK had KB's phone and the same occurred. I just want to see them all together and the times, etc. They are all over various numerous search warrants.

    I will bet the prosecution has done just that and the defense as well but I doubt if I ask they will provide me with that :)

    Just trying to read between the lies of the two liars... The pros states things to match to their version by KK and of course do not state others, the defense will as well match to whatever they decide to say--I want to see the whole picture put together, or at least the one of the dates we have and the info that is not missing.
     
  16. GordianKnot

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    We are singing from the same hymn sheet, PommyMommy.

    Maybe we should form a choir!

    JMO.
     
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    RE: the timeline

    I just hope the DA presents the case to the jury in a clear, concise way that leaves no doubt who is responsible for KB's disappearance/murder, if and when that time ever comes.
     
  18. PommyMommy

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    Bringing forward @Gardener1850's detailed timeline of November 22. Thank you again for this, Gardener. Amazing and incredibly helpful! :)

    Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #50 *ARREST*

     
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    ?mysterian? Well-Known Member

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    Agree with all of the above!

    "The snake PF thought he charmed is going to bite him."

    Too bad her bite isn't fatal because a slow painful death is what that devil deserves. JMO
     
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