Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #54 *ARREST*

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  1. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    Amen! Life in SuperMax to be specific.

    No TV. No commissary. No visits. No human contact. No scented candles.

    (Edited to add: No cinnamon rolls.)
     
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  2. Love Never Fails

    Love Never Fails Well-Known Member

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    Anxious for the 23rd. Since it is a day for motions, I am guessing the defense will request a trial delay. If they do, I think the DA would grant it. Why be in a hurry?

    I am guessing KKL is toning up this summer. Getting ready to rock the courtroom with her testimony and make PF see what he is missing? I do not believe he would give two cents for her. He had years to chase her and he didn’t.

    The prosecution is going to give a reason for not seeking the death penalty huh? I am sure they will say they could not secure the DP with the political climate in CO.

    Any news about the case in MSM?
     
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  3. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    Carol McKinley on Twitter
    Because the upcoming #PatrickFrazee trial has had so much publicity & it will be hard to find a jury who can sit for 4 weeks, the @4thJudicialDA wants to start with 250 jurors with 4 alternates. Trial is still on schedule to start 10/28/19. #kelseyberreth
    7:28 PM - 19 Aug 2019

    Carol McKinley on Twitter
    So far, the defense hasn't requested a change of venue for the trial, so look for it to be held in the century-old Teller County Courthouse.
    7:29 PM - 19 Aug 2019
     
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  4. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    I never dreamed this case would go to trial so soon.

    We’ll know a hell of a lot more in a few days, in regards to if this remains on track.

    I just can’t wait to find out his defense strategy, so we can find out if he’s completely screwed, or merely dead in the water.

    The fact that both of those are essentially the same thing, notwithstanding.
     
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  5. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    Well, May did say that it takes about a year in his district to bring a murder case to trial. I guess he wasn't kidding.

    It does seem incredibly quick in comparison to other cases but that's fine with me. Bring it on! Just a little over two months. :) MOO
     
  6. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    Yeah, this is lightning fast compared to my state, where a case like this wouldn’t see a courtroom for several years.

    No complaints here!
     
  7. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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  8. Corrupted1967

    Corrupted1967 Well-Known Member

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    Way faster then. Canada . Lwop is best for him every day he’s going to wake up in a cell in his own little hell. And know he dun f***ed up son
     
  9. Corrupted1967

    Corrupted1967 Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if bubba is gunna make him grow a mullet
     
  10. Tippy Lynn

    Tippy Lynn Well-Known Member

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    upcoming court dates....

    August 23, 2019 - Friday
    • Motions Hearing 9:00 am (All Day)
    September 5, 2019 - Thursday
    • Review with appearance of parties (Custody) - 8:15am
    Case #: D602018JV26

    October 18, 2019 - Friday
    • Pre-trial readiness - 9am
    October 28, 2019 - Monday
    • PF’s Trial - 8:30am (Trials is expected to take 3 weeks)
    Inmate #: 2018001543
    Booking #: 18-02029
    Case #: D602018CR330

    December 2, 2019 - Monday
    • KK Review is scheduled 11 am
    Case #: D602019CR17
    • Sentencing date for KK will be set during this hearing
     
  11. StarryStarryNight

    StarryStarryNight Well-Known Member

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    I think the decision not to seek the death penalty is because the prosecution feels that the defense will push hard to try and convince a jury that KK is the actual killer. That reasonable doubt thing. Any doubt, reasonable or otherwise, might make someone reluctant to vote for the death penalty.
    It also, in my opinion, doesn’t help that KK got a super lenient deal for her testimony. A jury might think well KK did awful things and her involvement was huge....and she basically walks, while the jury is supposed to put PF on death row.
     
  12. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    Bringing over from the media thread:
    I wonder if it has to do with him saying he should have killed the nurse that reported him when Baby K was born? MOO

    3/6/2019: Search warrants provide new details about accused killer Patrick Frazee
    The CBI agent also said that Frazee later stated that he should have "killed" the nurse that reported him.
     
  13. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    Bringing over from the media thread. What's going on there today, lol?! :p
     
  14. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    Sam Kraemer on Twitter
    A dozen documents were released yesterday in advance of Patrick Frazee's all-day motions hearing Friday for the murder of Kelsey Berreth. You can check them out for yourself at this link. Here are some highlights. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA https://www.courts.state.co.us/Courts/District/Case_Details.cfm?Case_ID=2867 …
    10:45 AM - 20 Aug 2019

    https://twitter.com/SamKraemerTV/status/1163854901526405121
    There's a proposed order from the state to endorse an alternate suspect. It doesn't say who that alternate suspect is. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA
    10:46 AM - 20 Aug 2019

    Sam Kraemer on Twitter
    Jury selection - State wants a pool of 250. Defense wants 300. They'll narrow it down to a jury of 12 with four alternates. Defense says they'll each need an extra 14 jurors (for a total of 44) for peremptory challenges. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA
    10:49 AM - 20 Aug 2019

    Sam Kraemer on Twitter
    A peremptory challenge is an objection made against a certain juror without reason. Initial estimates put the trial (including jury selection) at three weeks. They now expect it to take longer. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA
    10:50 AM - 20 Aug 2019

    Sam Kraemer on Twitter
    The defense filed a motion to suppress statements made to a Teller County DHS employee on Dec. 26, five days after his arrest. Defense says the employee did not chat with them before meeting with Frazee in the Teller County Jail. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA
    10:52 AM - 20 Aug 2019

    Sam Kraemer on Twitter
    They say the employee served Frazee a Notice of the Preliminary Protective Proceeding (for the custody case) & directed him to sign the form, allowing DHS to release documentation to WPPD, TCSO, DA's Office & public defenders. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA
    10:54 AM - 20 Aug 2019

    Sam Kraemer on Twitter
    Defense says the DHS employee then questioned Frazee on the custody situation of the couple's daughter. Again, they say all of this was done without first checking with Frazee's public defenders. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA
    10:55 AM - 20 Aug 2019

    Sam Kraemer on Twitter
    That's what stood out to me. There are other documents there pertaining to discovery & requests for a notice of evidence from Frazee. This gives us a good idea of what to expect Friday. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA
    10:57 AM - 20 Aug 2019

    Sam Kraemer on Twitter
    Something notably *not* in this document dump: A motion for a change of venue. For now at least, it looks like this will proceed in Teller County. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA
    10:58 AM - 20 Aug 2019

    Sam Kraemer on Twitter
    For clarity: The state's motion to propose an alternate suspect is intended to then require the defense to disclose that as a defense before heading to trial. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA
    11:29 AM - 20 Aug 2019
     
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  15. Sabrina1011

    Sabrina1011 Well-Known Member

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    thank you Pommy Mommy, heart heart.
     
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  16. ilovechili

    ilovechili Where is the wiKKed witch? Will Oct. bring her?

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    I totally agree. I am prepared to be wrong but it would be one of the only murder trials with this number of various charges I have ever seen proceed within a year of arrest without a plea deal or a guilty plea. I hope as well it goes on but no confidence that it will, this case started out with delays of quite some time, months on end. My one doubt about that is he probably is sick of being in jail and may want the defense to get this over with (even though my hope is he moves on to prison of course).

    I don't know what their relationship was and am curious as well but it was certainly sick, twisted and perhaps resulted in a tie between them that will be lifelong...

    Yes, I want them both put away for life. Since we probably cannot see that with her, I hope the jury does not pull a Casey Anthony where they had questions about her dad, holes, etc. so it gave them reasonable doubt. Imo both are guilty here, and they need to convict PF even if they are not happy with KK's deal. At least take the ONE down, don't acquit because of the culpability of both which is clear, and hopefully the other will follow, at some point in time. She won't change, not significantly, she is not 20 and just growing up, and living and learning... Her devious ways are ingrained imo.

    I think there is a lot untrue in KK's story and a lot that can be picked apart unfortunately. I am no expert but just her story alone I can find multiple things to charge her with of her own admission which they did not.

    I don't think her body was burned at the Franch either. If it was, it was not completely burned in that short of time period. I think other evidence was burned. I also think three visits by LE and even State LE and yet the Berreths noticing blood and clean-up (the frig, etc.) is going to be a problem.

    PF's DNA wasn't found when supposedly he was there on many occasions so was clean-up that good? If it was, then there should not be any unknown male DNA there either now should there? Seems again like a pretty short clean-up, like the fire, my guess is there was more than one time and/or he was there as well or had been back. There are hints of that in some of the preliminary hearing remarks. The vehicle remarks are still quite confusing as well.

    I stick on the remark that he said to KK "You have a mess to clean up". She wanted this death and was just as much a part as he was. She was scared of him yet not so scared that in her own words she allegedly refused to take her body with her when she left (or ashes and bones) and she was not scared of his reaction to her refusal when she was present? Give me a break. She then goes off and celebrates and lies to LE and the feds and ain't worried about her daughter he "threatened' whatsoever.

    All that said, I hope he is put away and then somehow she screws up her sweetie deal and her entire life.

    Jmo.

    P.S. I rarely do such things and I doubt it will make a difference but I am going to contact the Idaho Nursing Board with my opinion. They don't have any reason to wait for a trial here, in KK's own admissions she has done plenty that any board with any guidelines to be adhered to should have gotten rid of her arse by now. Good Lord, she at minimum let a young mother die, conspired to murder her, cleaned up the murder scene, got rid of evidence, cleansed her FB and turned off her location, lied to both local LE and state and the feds I believe... I could go on and on... Nurse Ratchett and Kathy Bates in Misery by Stephen King might just pale in comparison to KK who can even hit the feed bag afterwards...
     
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  17. Tippy Lynn

    Tippy Lynn Well-Known Member

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    Looks like PF and his team think he's better off with the trial being in Teller Co.
     
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  18. ilovechili

    ilovechili Where is the wiKKed witch? Will Oct. bring her?

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    Any news on the testing on the possible tooth yet???
     
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