CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #7

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  1. Denvergirl

    Denvergirl Well-Known Member

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    A big argument, or as I have contemplated...she had plans with someone else but wasn't going to be forthcoming about that with her mom.
     


  2. Celt1997

    Celt1997 Well-Known Member

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    The problem is that (as far as we know) there was no "ping" trail on the way to Gooding. From what has been made public, it sounds like the phone was off the grid, then suddenly popped up briefly near Gooding, and then disappeared again.

    Now, it's possible that LE does have more information about the phone "traveling," but we have not been made aware of it.
     
  3. ksprincess

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    Maybe Mom knows they broke up as well but had been told by LE not to disclose this information but her Aunt hadn't yet been told that LE didn't want that info out there. Reminds me of the Laura Wallen case where LE had told the parents they believed her boyfriend killed her but at LE's request parents did a press conference with him and her Mom held his hand and listened to him plead for her return. So Kelsey's Mom may just be saying what LE told her to say even though she knows otherwise. Or maybe Kelsey confided to her Aunt they broke up but hadn't told her Mom yet.
     
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  4. Jethro4WS

    Jethro4WS Well-Known Member

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    I know that the statements by PF's attorney don't use that term. However Woodland Park Police in a few of their releases have used that term. One example is the timeline post Woodland Park Police has on their FB page.

    Woodland Park Police Department
     
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  5. Esma

    Esma Well-Known Member

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    I do think that if the guilty person isn’t PF, it is someone she or he knows, not a stranger. I dont think a stranger abductor would feel the need to text the fiancé or her work. I 100% don’t believe she left on her own accord or made the texts herself.
     
  6. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    1. Suspicious meaning:

    suspicious
    adjective

    sus·pi·cious | \sə-ˈspi-shəs \
    Definition of suspicious
    1 : tending to arouse suspicion : questionable suspicious characters

    2 : disposed to suspect : distrustful suspicious of strangers

    3 : expressing or indicative of suspicion a suspicious glance

    Synonyms
    debatable, disputable, dodgy [chiefly British], doubtable, doubtful, dubious, dubitable, equivocal, fishy, problematic (also problematical), queer, questionable, shady, shaky, suspect

    Definition of SUSPICIOUS

    2. That airline pilot was German, not American. The US has stricter standards and, in fact he was prevented from getting an US pilot's license because of his mental health history: "the investigation into Lubitz found he had been treated for suicidal tendencies prior to his training as a commercial pilot and had been temporarily denied a US pilot's license because of these treatments for depression" If you read the rest of the info on him, you find there were all kinds of red flags and evidence he suffered from mental illness prior to the incident: Germanwings Flight 9525 - Wikipedia

    Again, there is no evidence like that for Kelsey. Had she struggled with any of those types of things the FBI would have found evidence of that from her home, her employer, her computer, and from interviewing those in her life. They have not found that and have instead said the disappearance is suspicious. LE doesn't use the word suspicious in suspected suicide cases or voluntary missing cases.

    3. We know about her home purchase and his lack of home ownership because our members found the records and posted links to them. I don't have time to go back and find the original links, but there is a lot of discussion about Kelsey's house purchase (with source links) in thread 2: CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #2
    PF does not own the home where he lives. The home and property that was searched by LE belong to his mother. We know this from the property records, also found by our members here: Teller County Property Records Database
     
  7. 1wonderleads2another

    1wonderleads2another Well-Known Member

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    When I was online dating Several different holidays my ex had our child, so on a couple of occasions I did go on a first date on a holiday. When you are at loose ends, and somebody intriguing offers to take you to a restaurant it sounds like at least a good way to spend the holiday. In my case I ALWAYS met the date in public, for at least the first date. But about 80% of my girlfriends also have done online dating and the majority of them have let guys pick them up at their house on the first date. (And have received an earful of what are you thinking , from me)

    In other words it is completely in the realm of reason KB had a stranger pick her up under the guise of a restaurant meal.
     
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  8. kkdj

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    I've heard that PF went to KB's home to get their daughter and I've heard that KB dropped the little girl off to him at his home. Which is it? With her purse and cell missing it makes more sense that she went to his home.
    However, her cars are at her home, correct?
    I suspect something happened to her at the time of exchange of their daughter. Did she willingly hand over her daughter to PF that day? If it's true (as her aunt says) that they had broken up the day before, then this is a big question to me. KB's mother said she was maybe going to dinner that night. With whom, if she had broken up with PS the day prior?
    Then, her cell pinged in Idaho. Where was PF at that time? Do we know?
    Also, he is holding his daughter close every time I've seen any pics of him in the media. Why? I can think of several reasons he is doing this. Public sympathy, shield, protective of her, etc. Personally I would keep my child out of any media pics. That would be one of the ways I would protect my child. I would keep her out of the public eye.
    jmo
     
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  9. gypsysoul

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    Maybe PF's attorney is just really good at steering the narrative to distance his client from Kelsey. I mean we are all talking about their broken relationship as fact. But, really who began that narrative? Where did it originate? PF's attorney - benefits his client. LE - heard from PF through attorney. And VI Aunt - heard from LE through PF attorney (I don't think she has stated where she heard this info)? --MOO

    What facts do we have to back those claims? They lived apart - well, maybe Kelsey didn't want to live with her mother-in-law? I don't know many people who would. Maybe she tried that and it didn't go so well (hence the Florrisant PO Box)? --MOO

    The creative use of the phrase "custody exchange" just further's the narrative, and it is technically correct if PF went to KB house to pick up their baby. But, directs the narrative to create distance (and plants the seeds for doubt) for PF. --MOO

    So, maybe their relationship wasn't all CB thinks it was.
    Or, Maybe PF has a really craft attorney who was spoonfed us all with the narrative that best suits his client. --MOO
     
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  10. jillianelaine

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    I think I've convinced myself for one reason or another, that there has not been a loving relationship between those two for a long time and that both parties are comfortable with the situation. Therefore, I get confused about what could have possibly made a detached partner angry enough to make someone disappear, besides a custody issue. And why should there be a custody issue if they have been living independent for this long and she landed her dream job with no intentions of moving away,... Then, I remember. I remember being quite comfortable in my decision to walk away from a two year relationship and feeling fine, actually quite good...until he found someone new and my life had remained stagnant. And then watching my life crumble. And wanting to smash something, anything. Even though I was perfectly fine all those months before. I wish I knew what she was shopping for, when she planned on making that recipe shed received from her mother, if the sweet rolls were for someone else, who she planned to have dinner with, whether he was picking p the baby because she needed someone to watch the kid that night,...
     
  11. Charlot123

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    Everything I have read outside this forum (not much) speculates on her problems and what a great guy he is, and what other difficulties he has had. Everything also comes from CO.

    Nothing is coming from Kelsey's side. Silence.

    So I want to know regular things about PF. Age. Education. Since her possible issues, mental problems, potential substances, were discussed, even here - the most reasonable question is, did he have issues? Mental, or alcohol-related? Prior kids?

    I don't think we are not allowed to check on it.

    Has anyone realized that we know very little about him, except for his family being in LE? This might be a red herring, though, and not relevant. Prior history of women breaking up with him might be very important.

    And a totally random question. If he has that many relatives in LE, and farmers struggle, did he ever apply to LE?
     
  12. chuppa74

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    If I lived in this area and was going to dispose of evidence, I wouldn't do it on my own property, regardless of the size. There are so many remote locations available that wouldn't be the first place to be searched. First post and all. Hi.
     
  13. AgeofAquaruis

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    Lol. A little whaaaat?
     
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    It's not really clear how the "exchange" took place. It does seem that he came to her home, whether or not we want to believe that there was a pre-arranged exchange or that he was picking them both up for the day. As to the break up? It's conflicting. My personal opinion is that KB may have told her family that things were on edge and she was planning to break up or had thought of cooling things down for a time, but that they're unsure if KB and PF worked things out and they don't want to put something out there that may not be true or may make things awkward if she is found alive. With so many possibilities, and PF's stonewalling, it must be hard for the family to know what to say to not make things worse. As a mother I'd be worried he was holding her somewhere and if he thought she was leaving, he'd harm her.
     
  15. bestill

    bestill It's a Disney Day for SC Inmate 00378074

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    haha
     
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    Meow.
     
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    The post is in response to some posts that were removed due to sleuthing of family members, not PF.
     
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    bestill It's a Disney Day for SC Inmate 00378074

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    :p:D
     
  19. SausagePizza

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    Thread off the tracks.

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    No criminal background. Involved in rodeo type events. Owns his company and had taken out loans for it, last one being 2016. He sells cattle, possibly horses. Lives at a property owned by his mom. Drives red truck. His company’s revenue is approximately 100k a year (prior to expenses).
     
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