Discussion in 'Missing Persons Discussion' started by GuyfromCanada, Dec 3, 2018.
Hard work on the farm.
Baking in the morning and not finishing up suggests that she disappeared after getting groceries and before she had a chance to finish up.
If Kelsey was going on a date, there must be text messages, phone calls or emails about dinner plans. Police would be looking in a different direction if there was proof that she met with someone else later in the day.
That's an excellent point. It's a national forest, no need for a search warrant and it would at least cover that base. Even starting with the nearby christmas tree farms, since she had also told her mom they were planning on getting a tree together.
Maybe not. My great-grandfather was a farmer. Lots of hard work, loving his animals, and they loved him. Sometimes you have to look at how the dogs are treating the owner to understand. PF's dogs seem to love him.
KB had a similar background, grew up on a hay farm, but became a pilot. Did she dislike farm work because of her childhood? Anything but?
I would venture to say their goals were different. She was the one with the wings.
No she finished the baking. She baked in the morning, ate some for breakfast and left the rest on the counter.
Her mother stated KB told her on the phone she and the baby were going out with PF for dinner. But I agree, if she were meeting someone else there would have been phone calls or text msgs between she and this other person, at the very least (if not between she and a friend or her brother who she seemed to chat with often).
Kelsey worked for an employer that has government contracts to train Air Force pilots. This means she had an extensive background check before she was hired. Extensive. Her background had to be very clean to be hired. All the speculation on FB sites is garbage. It is coming from petty women who are angry that Kelsey's mom has asked them to stop creating drama.
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Guilty or not of any wrongdoing I think PF is playing this smart for himself. We have nothing to pick apart like we did with CW. He's not talking, not giving body language, lawyered up right away. We have no statement analysis.
Of course, to me, his silence speaks a thousand words too.
As others have also stated, the problem may have arisen with KB making plans/wishing to leave with her child.
The child would be PF's concern.
What may have resulted, is now our mystery, if this is the situation that occurred initially.
I missed this. When did she tell her mom this? Prior to the reported breakup or the day she was last seen?
Someone could have driven her to the store and waited outside while she shopped IMO. The family FB page says LE knows what she purchased so I believe if they know this, they know and have video footage of when she left and are purposely not sharing that video or timeline. JMO
Lies of omission. TBH, no matter what he said I just can't wrap my brain around the fact that he never reported her missing.
Did she say to anyone she wanted to leave? She had her dream job, why move away?
This could be a valid point. Many people are fine until another person enters the scene. They do not want someone else raising their child, especially a mother wanting another woman involved, or a man wanting another man involved.
It originated in news stories prior to the first press conference - where it was described that PF had last seen Kelsey when they exchanged their daughter. Those stories had described that PF either picked up the child or Kelsey dropped off the child on Thanksgiving. Either way, anyone reading it would be thinking there was some kind of custody exchange going on because it isn't typical to see engaged couples swapping who has the kid on a holiday.
It is not clear when PF obtained a lawyer. We first heard from his lawyer on December 12th, two days after the first press conference and one day after the media chased PF around starting at the lawyer's office. Neither PF's attorney nor law enforcement has offered up when PF obtained a lawyer. If we knew when that occurred we could know whether the earlier reports of an exchange come from PF or PF through his attorney.
If they had video footage of someone waiting in the parking lot, they'd have released that and they wouldn't have sought a search warrant for PF's property and wasted tax dollars on a search of his property and vehicles.
I will say that there is some connection between the shopping trip, the phone call to her mother and the recipe KB asked for. I'm not sure what it is, but in one of the interviews CB was asked for more detail about what the recipe was, she hesitated and then repeated that KB had called asking about a recipe and refused to go into any more detail. Since you normally shop for things for a recipe, it would stand to reason that whatever KB bought at safeway was for that recipe. But why be coy about it?
I have read good things about him, but also some bad things about him. As much as I would like for him to be innocent for the sake of this child, what I read did raise some red flags for me.
Has anyone posted about his prior personal life? This is what I have not seen.
I do the same thing- get hot in the car due to the heat and take off my coat to drive, then put it back on to go outside. But he did the opposite. He seemingly put the coat on only while in the truck. Is his truck heater broken? But then, why take it off again when he gets out to confront the reporter. Probably not nefarious, but odd behavior to me.
“She’s been happy,” Cheryl said. “She’s been wanting to decorate for Christmas and was excited about that, but she thought she thought maybe her fiancee and Kaylee were planning to get the Christmas tree themselves. And so, she’s been holding off on buying something.”
Candlelight vigil for Kelsey Berreth in Woodland Park
According to the Aunt, the breakup was on Thanksgiving:
“Our niece is missing ... She broke up with her ex on Thanksgiving, he said she dropped off the baby and was heading to Soap Lake Washington to visit.”
— Kelsey Berreth's aunt, posting on a Facebook group
Kelsey Berreth: Police Search Fiancé’s Ranch In Hunt For Missing Colorado Mom
Also, our VI @Kelsey's Aunt has clarified for us that now to her understanding, PF picked up the baby at KB's house.
I'm trying to wrap my head around that too. If they had indeed broken up, he may have just been waiting for her to call and say she was coming to get her daughter. He could have thought possession is 9/10th of the law and he wasn't going to give her back and loved her not calling. He may have even texted her that. We just don't know. I had read he watched her most of the time too due to KB's schedule. We just don't know. But logically, I too find it very suspicious he wasn't looking for her, didn't report her missing.