CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #8

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  1. LietKynes

    LietKynes "What do you despise? By this you are truly known"

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    Agreed.

    And with all due respect to CB....We don't know what their relationship was up to this point (KB and CB), were they more distant from each other than we've been led to believe ?
    Although it still appears that PF is keeping the baby (and himself) away from any of KB's family.
    So it's possible CB asked to see the baby and was denied.
    A very confusing missing person's case.
    I'd still like to see that she just left of her own accord and can be located and reunited with her babygirl !
     


  2. Irmese

    Irmese Well-Known Member

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    ITA.
     
  3. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    Why take the baby in to the store if someone was going to be waiting for her in a car? Unless it was a stranger, I would let my baby sleep in the car seat in the car (while my husband drove laps around the parking lot to keep her asleep, lol) and I would just run in for what I needed. JMO.
     
  4. Esma

    Esma Well-Known Member

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    Here’s a thought. She needed a holiday dish recipe from her mom. She took the baby and shopped for it. He picked up the baby so she could cook. A dish she would be bringing to ‘a dinner out’ which could have been at one of his relatives house. That’s “out” rather than “in”-her house or his. I think whoverver took her, it was from her house.
     
  5. kkdj

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    My son was talking in short sentences at his first birthday. He literally said, "I want more cake!" So, it's very possible the little girl is talking at 14 mos and could tell about something. That might be why he's not letting her out of his site and won't let KB's mom see her.
     
  6. 1mtroyal

    1mtroyal Well-Known Member

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    I have 7 acres (300 feet x 1,000 feet). I figure that if I start searching my land, searching 20 feet to my left and 20 feet to my right, it would take me 1/2 hour to completely search my 7 acres. Since PK had 35 acres, I could search that in less than 3 hours. Since the police had some 70 people searching, they could have searched that in a few minutes (maybe 3 minutes), if they were all set up to search a certain grid. To me that is a small ranch.
     
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  7. susiQ

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    With a 35 acre property would it be necessary to go to a tree farm?
     
  8. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    :eek: I didn't even think of that. She's so tiny compared to him, I don't think he would need an axe. JMO.
     
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  9. Gunslinging Granny

    Gunslinging Granny Well-Known Member

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    Yes, someone in the Air Force, after doing a background check on Devin Kelley, failed to submit his domestic violence record to the national background check system.

    There is no evidence that Kelsey has a sketchy mental health history. She underwent an extensive background check before she was hired to train Air Force pilots. It's very possible that she was required to undergo a background check every year or biyearly.
     
  10. Curiousobserver

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    I think its pretty obvious now what happened, the exact details will come out. The phone pings from Idaho will be his undoing. Someone either missed the baby while he was gone or watched the baby while he was gone. He couldn't have traveled that long without being noticed by his family. Whoever that was now knows Kelsey was already missing when that event happened; the the baby wasn't with her. That person is either going to corroborate an alibi or not.
     
  11. justaparent

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    Not if they have trees.
     
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  12. Tippy Lynn

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    FWIW - My cousin and his wife live in Woodland Park, not far from KB’s residence. They are the same age range as KB and have lived in WP for about 6 years. They have 4 young kids - she works at a school in WP and he works in Colorado Springs. I talked to them over the weekend and they don’t know KB or PF and none of their friends do either. They said most of their friends in Woodland Park aren’t from WP originally. They love the community and say it’s very friendly with lots of great down to earth people. They said most of their friends are people they’ve met through work or kids activities. They said it took awhile to get to know people at first mostly because they were so busy adjusting to a new town, new house, new jobs and raising small kids. They said they don’t think it’s unusual that KB doesn’t seem to have any friends from the area since she was relatively new to the area, didn’t work in WP and was likely busy getting her feet planted, working, and being a mom.
     
  13. oviedo

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    good point - but if you are a working mom who doesn't get that much time with the baby during the day (awake), you may just want to maximize the time you do have with her and talk to her face to face while you shop? I'm trying to think of alternative scenarios. JMO
     
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  14. Madison418

    Madison418 Overachiever at over analyzing

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    I'm super interested in KB and PF's communications on 11/22, I imagine that would be telling. And then was there anything between them from 11/23-11/25? I don't see any of that mentioned anywhere
     
  15. scdiv

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    I wonder if KB could have possibly had google location or FB location turned on her phone. I didn't even know I had FB location turned on mine. I just checked my history and it has where I am every second and when I'm on the move. It's quite creepy actually. I guess that would only work while the phone was on. But if turned on, you could check past history of any places visited.
     
  16. jillianelaine

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    Kelsey's mother reported her missing to the police. She likely knew that her boyfriend had not reported her missing. Hell may have broke loose in that phone call. That in itself might be the reason she is not seeing the baby this trip. One of the reasons.
     
  17. Irmese

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    Seventh Day Adventists don't celebrate Christmas, but they do not say it is wrong for people of other Christian churches to do so.
     
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  18. Gunslinging Granny

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    You have suggested that Kelsey's mom didn't try to find Patrick or call him. There's no evidence to support that.

    Did you see the news reporter who tried to interview PF on his ranch? The gates that lead to his house on the ranch are padlocked. There are cattle on his ranch and likely a bull. Climbing over the fence when there is a bull could be lethal. Climbing over a fence and entering private property is illegal and in some areas, could get you shot.
     
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  19. Madison418

    Madison418 Overachiever at over analyzing

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    You are so on point @otto (IMO). It appears the only options the police are looking at relate to PF...
     
  20. SausagePizza

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    This is what 35 acres looks like with no trees.

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