CO - Montrose Co., 'Windy Point Jane Doe' Fem 642UFCO, 35-40, scoliosis, Jul'94

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  1. JupiterAmmon

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    Unidentified White Female

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    The victim was discovered on July 7, 1994 in Montrose County, Colorado
    Estimated Date of Death: 6-12 months prior
    Windy Point Jane Doe
    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 35-40 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'4-5'7"
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Strands of reddish brown hair were located. She suffered from temporomandibular joint syndrome, and her spine showed signs of scoliosis.
    Clothing: Part of a woman's black vinyl belt was discovered near the bones. It was the only clothing item found.
    Dentals: Available. Some of the teeth were missing because they'd been pulled by a dentist, while others fell out after death. She had a gold molar and full-cast gold crown, as well as multiple dental artifacts.
    DNA: Pending
    Case History
    The victim was located by hikers near the Smokehouse Campground on U.S. Forest Service Road 402 (Divide Road) on July 7, 1994. The area is commonly called "Windy Point".
    The skull was delivered to authorities in a plastic spring water bucket. It showed marked mummification with adherence of tissue to both the internal and external portions of the skull and about the base and face. Searchers recovered an intact humerus and intact scapula, with mummified tissues. There were also portions of spinal cord and the right pelvis, and multiple bone fragments.
    No antemortem trauma could be identified based on the existing remains. The remains sustained carnivore damage.
    No identification was found near the remains.
    The medical examiner whose officer conducted the forensic facial reconstruction from her skull found no useful trace evidence. The cause and manner of death are forensically undetermined, but some law enforcement officers suspect foul play. Investigators believe the woman was slain at another location, brought to Windy Point possibly in the fall of 1993 and then covered with tree limbs to conceal her whereabouts.

    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    Montrose County Sheriff's Office
    970-252-4023
    Or
    Montrose County Coroner
    Dr. Thomas Canfield
    970-249-7755
    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
     
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    Here is a link to an article about the "Windy Point Jane Doe" from the Montrose Press. It has more information and more photographs of the reconstruction.

    Who is Windy Point Jane Doe?
     
  4. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I thought there was already a thread for her, but apparently not.

    Here's the other reconstruction. I had thought that the first recon had to have been the work of a bad forensic artist, but this one portrays the same look. Maybe she really did have a very unusual face with a long flat nose, no cheekbone definition, and almost no brow overhang.

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    I was under the impression that the reconstructions were the same, but with different hairstyles. The reconstruction looks very odd, I can't imagine someone looked like that in real life. I think it would be helpful if perhaps they released a new reconstruction.
     
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    The reconstruction makes it hard to find anyone who remotely resembles her and, for some reason, this time frame wasn't an active one for MP's. The closest one I could find was Ginger Hudson (Doe case file 1161DFKS) from KS:

    Date Of Birth: May 29, 1960
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 33 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 148 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Auburn hair; hazel eyes.
    Marks, Scars: Surgical scar inside bottom lip.
    Clothing: White shirt, dark colored shorts.

    Her eyes are downturned at the outside like the reconstruction. Of course, she has a very skimpy Doe and NAMUS file, no DNA, no dentals, no physical description that might match with this Doe's bone issues.
     
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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    She does look like Frances Morales in a general sense, but the facial dimensions are way off. Her nose is much shorter and the facial height from eyes to mouth are much shorter.
     
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    I agree, Carl. The lips are far too wide and the nose is too narrow to be Frances...
     
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    Bump for this Jane doe.
     
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    The picture of Kathryn Adam is not very good at all, but there are some other similar characteristics and Salina, Kansas is about an 8 hour drive to Windy Point, Colorado...

    http://www.nampn.org/cases/adam_kathryn.html
     
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    Looks like they did a new facial reconstruction! Thank God... the old ones give me the creeps. I tried to see if there was a new press release or anything but couldn't find any other new information.

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    I wish I could find a larger version.
     
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    Wow, new recon actually looks like a real person that someone could look like. Some of these older reconstructions one comes across look like no person on earth but just a basic plasticine face... I understand it's hard, but sometimes a sketch or a basic description has to be better than a truly bad reconstruction - if someone fit a description but not a bad recon that doesn't look like anyone, they might be ignored as a potential match...
     
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    Obviously there's a good chance the last seen date for Patricia Karlberg is inaccurate... but if it is accurate I think it's unlikely she would end up in CO and in that state of decomp in only 2 months or so. It would have been pretty chilly up there too.

    Lori looks potentially good - the only thing I noticed is the difference in hair which is obviously not a huge deal at all because it changes so easily. I also think it's interesting they describe Windy Point Doe as having reddish-brown hair but the hair in the early reconstructions looks very blonde to me.... not that those reconstructions seem very reliable but I wonder what their definition of reddish-brown is.
     
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    I was thinking the same thing about the hair. Her family last saw her nearly a year before her Date LKA. I don't know when the photo was taken. It looks like a mugshot, so maybe there was an arrest that is the basis for the LKA info. She doesn't look like a natural blonde, so perhaps there was time for her hair to revert to its natural color (which appears to be reddish light brown based on the roots).
     
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    I sent an e-mail to RSA Jerry Brown requesting that he urge Montrose County authorities to enter WPJD and any other of their UID's in NamUs. And I also suggested that they look into Lori Thiel. He responded as follows.

     
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    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    They are going to be putting her in NamUs.

    Colorado Bureau of Investigations COLD CASE FILES Jane Windy Point

    FBI does new reconstruction on unidentified woman's body found in western Colorado in 1994


    Photos - New reconstruction completed on 1994 'Jane Doe' Windy Point Jane Doe

    In this July 11, 2013 photo Montrose County Sheriff's Office investigator David G. Harrison points out some differences between two facial reconstructions of the Windy Point Jane Doe, whose skeleton remains were found in 1994 during a news conference at the sheriff's office in Montrose, Colo. The older forensic reconstruction is on top. The lower series of photos show a reconstruction completed in May

    *Edit - did print screen; attached image #3.

    Attached pic #1 came from mobile link
     

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