CO CO - Oakey 'Al' Kite, 53, Aurora, 22 May 2004

[CountSnap]

Thank you

 

[maamager]

Praying 2024 will be the year we get justice for Al!

 

[morf13]

If you are well versed in the AL Kite case, or have some good ideas and theories as to how to solve it, We have an 'ALL HANDS ON DECK' case tonight on our live recording of Citizen Detective podcast. W/ Lots of bizarre & frustrating clues in this case- so much so, that we consulted with retired investigator Paul Holes who solved the Golden State Killer case, and dug into Al Kite's case as well.

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[maamager]

I'm not sure if anyone follows A.K.'s case at a granular level like myself on this site, but I'm working on something in my own attempt to move the needle...

If given the chance to have Q&A with LE about the A.K. Case, what would you want to know? What questions or clarifying comments would you like to present? Assuming all info is fair game, what would you want to know about the case today?

 

[bigals]

I'm not sure if anyone follows A.K.'s case at a granular level like myself on this site, but I'm working on something in my own attempt to move the needle...

If given the chance to have Q&A with LE about the A.K. Case, what would you want to know? What questions or clarifying comments would you like to present? Assuming all info is fair game, what would you want to know about the case today?

Any cameras tracking the perp to or from the ATM? Any truth to the rumors online that the DNA was traced back to Romania?

 

[maamager]

Yesterday was 20 years.

 

[DS2021]

Bump

 

[maamager]

I hope this is allowed, please let me know if not and I will delete.

Citizen Detective did an episode on AK in Feb. It includes some interesting SMEs and crime scene photos that I haven't seen before, but maybe someone else on this thread has.

 

[Marziaforevercherry]

This own is such a mystery . I think I’m going to watch the YouTube video somebody posted

 

[maamager]

FWIW

I screenshot a police report I hadn't seen before now (from the Paul Holes episode) and noticed the address where the burner phone was bought. It was a 7/11.

4040 E 8th Avenue, Denver Colorado 80220

 

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[CountSnap]

FWIW

I screenshot a police report I hadn't seen before now (from the Paul Holes episode) and noticed the address where the burner phone was bought. It was a 7/11.

4040 E 8th Avenue, Denver Colorado 80220

How close is that to the murder site?
If anyone has a moment to review that?
Maybe triangulate the 7/11, the University, and the site of the crime.

 

[maamager]

How close is that to the murder site?
If anyone has a moment to review that?
Maybe triangulate the 7/11, the University, and the site of the crime.

Al's address: 2002 S. Helena Street in Aurora. (pin on the centerish right) Unit B. This is a route from the 7/11 to Als townhome. See below:


Here are some pink pins of Al house (bottom right) and the two other places the burner phone contacted for the rentals (top left). see below:


The circle north of the 7/11 used to be the location of the University library where Robert Cooper picked up the flyer for Al's rental (NOTE: this building has relocated). The 7/11 appears to be right next door to where that medical building was previously located. See the circled area in the photo below:


Another note I'd like to make is how extremely brazen perp was connected to other domiciles in a TOWNHOME. He didn't seem bothered by the fact that noise would be made through torture. And on a Saturday morning? This murderer is scary.

 

[Rush4087]

Until Paul Holes explains all the reasons why he thinks Israel Keyes was not the perp in this horrific torture murder, Keyes is my main suspect. Even from what little you can see in the ATM stills, Israel Keyes is a dead ringer for the guy in the mask. You can almost feel it. There is so much of Keyes’ MO in this crime.

Keyes was a brilliant psychopath. I would certainly not put it past him to plant a single drop of blood - perhaps collected from another victim. Keyes studied serial killers. He studied torture techniques. He was incredibly resourceful, and he was a master “stager”.

Would it surprise anybody if they learned that Keyes had read and learned torture techniques used by notorious terrorist organizations and national secret service type organizations associated with communist, fascist, totalitarian (or even other) governments in the Middle East / Balkans, Russian, Turkey, China, Cambodia, Iran, - even Mossad. He was fascinated with torture and serial killing.

Keyes sometimes travelled hundreds or even thousands of miles to plan and then return to commit gruesome murders. He used planes, cars, and took irregular routes when first planning and then committing his murders. Murder kits planted in advance. Everything about this case imo screams Israel Keyes.

Does Holes know for a fact that Keyes was not in town on the day the burner phone was purchased? How does he know this? Does he know for a fact that Keyes was not in town on one of the two days on which the murder took place? How?

No disrespect to Paul Holes, but he hasn’t been right all the time in the past, even about big pieces of Golden State (Visalia / EAR ONS). It was forensic genetic genealogy that solved EAR-ONS imo. Holes, by then retired, drove up at the last instant.

Despite many who proclaim Holes is humble, to me he always seems to leach himself onto the biggest unsolved crimes getting media attention - like Delphi. I think he is somewhat of a publicity hound whi still seeks the limelight in his retirement. Hard to give up being the hero. But I’m not just taking his word for it on this case. I need more

I’m going to wait until the LE organizations who have been actively investigating this case from the beginning announce to the public that Israel Keyes is 100 percent cleared in this investigation (and why) before I am willing to believe that he is not the guy on that ATM video.

All jmo

 

[CountSnap]

Until Paul Holes explains all the reasons why he thinks Israel Keyes was not the perp in this horrific torture murder, Keyes is my main suspect. Even from what little you can see in the ATM stills, Israel Keyes is a dead ringer for the guy in the mask. You can almost feel it. There is so much of Keyes’ MO in this crime.

Keyes was a brilliant psychopath. I would certainly not put it past him to plant a single drop of blood - perhaps collected from another victim. Keyes studied serial killers. He studied torture techniques. He was incredibly resourceful, and he was a master “stager”.

Would it surprise anybody if they learned that Keyes had read and learned torture techniques used by notorious terrorist organizations and national secret service type organizations associated with communist, fascist, totalitarian (or even other) governments in the Middle East / Balkans, Russian, Turkey, China, Cambodia, Iran, - even Mossad. He was fascinated with torture and serial killing.

Keyes sometimes travelled hundreds or even thousands of miles to plan and then return to commit gruesome murders. He used planes, cars, and took irregular routes when first planning and then committing his murders. Murder kits planted in advance. Everything about this case imo screams Israel Keyes.

Does Holes know for a fact that Keyes was not in town on the day the burner phone was purchased? How does he know this? Does he know for a fact that Keyes was not in town on one of the two days on which the murder took place? How?

No disrespect to Paul Holes, but he hasn’t been right all the time in the past, even about big pieces of Golden State (Visalia / EAR ONS). It was forensic genetic genealogy that solved EAR-ONS imo. Holes, by then retired, drove up at the last instant.

Despite many who proclaim Holes is humble, to me he always seems to leach himself onto the biggest unsolved crimes getting media attention - like Delphi. I think he is somewhat of a publicity hound whi still seeks the limelight in his retirement. Hard to give up being the hero. But I’m not just taking his word for it on this case. I need more

I’m going to wait until the LE organizations who have been actively investigating this case from the beginning announce to the public that Israel Keyes is 100 percent cleared in this investigation (and why) before I am willing to believe that he is not the guy on that ATM video.

All jmo

I largely agree about Keyes.
I do wonder if they were able to check a timeline of where he was at the time? If they can say he was NOT in the area then I could rule him out. But yeah, other than that his method of killing, torture, and his general appearance line up a little too well.
The only thing that doesn't set right maybe is the MO of approach. Seems a little too risky for his liking?
But then, it was the early stages of his crime timeline. He is said, and thought to have started around 2001. So maybe he was just starting to figure out what worked.
Maybe he realized he was somewhat spotted by people in this one?

 

[CountSnap]

Al's address: 2002 S. Helena Street in Aurora. (pin on the centerish right) Unit B. This is a route from the 7/11 to Als townhome. See below:
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Here are some pink pins of Al house (bottom right) and the two other places the burner phone contacted for the rentals (top left). see below:
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The circle north of the 7/11 used to be the location of the University library where Robert Cooper picked up the flyer for Al's rental (NOTE: this building has relocated). The 7/11 appears to be right next door to where that medical building was previously located. See the circled area in the photo below:
View attachment 544716

Another note I'd like to make is how extremely brazen perp was connected to other domiciles in a TOWNHOME. He didn't seem bothered by the fact that noise would be made through torture. And on a Saturday morning? This murderer is scary.

EXCELLENT work.
Thank you for taking the time. Really appreciate it.
Going to take some time to think on these connections.

 

[dub]

I largely agree about Keyes.
I do wonder if they were able to check a timeline of where he was at the time? If they can say he was NOT in the area then I could rule him out. But yeah, other than that his method of killing, torture, and his general appearance line up a little too well.
The only thing that doesn't set right maybe is the MO of approach. Seems a little too risky for his liking?
But then, it was the early stages of his crime timeline. He is said, and thought to have started around 2001. So maybe he was just starting to figure out what worked.
Maybe he realized he was somewhat spotted by people in this one?

The closest Keyes activity on the timeline is he was in Neah Bay taking a drug test at work at like 10am on 5/25. So if he was responsible for Al it would be a long haul but doable and not that tight. Aurora to Neah Bay is a ~24hr drive.

But for what it’s worth, in addition to Holes, True Crime BS (Keyes podcast with pretty solid FBI sources) also doesn’t believe Keyes killed Al because apparently according to the FBI there is a “strong suspect” in the case.

TCBS questions the info they get from the FBI at times, but in this case they seem to fully believe them - make of that what you will.

Either way, even before I learned that I didn’t really believe Keyes was responsible here, but I’m open to the possibility. it’s such a weird case in relation to Keyes because there’s a lot that really looks like Keyes and a lot that seems to point away from him pretty hard.

Also based on your and @Rush4087 posts here I made a connection I hadn’t previously noticed that could link this to another potential Keyes case that’s likewise very had to nail down, but for very different reasons. I’m not going to jam up this thread with that, but I’ll post about it over in the Keyes threads later this evening.

 

[maamager]

But for what it’s worth, in addition to Holes, True Crime BS (Keyes podcast with pretty solid FBI sources) also doesn’t believe Keyes killed Al because apparently according to the FBI there is a “strong suspect” in the case.

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totally understand anything is possible here, but another small detail that kills the Keyes theory is that "Robert Cooper" contacted + vetted other locations for awhile, at times it'd be a stretch. we have DNA too. DNA geneology found a result from an online database where someone uploaded their DNA and they were determined to be in the 3rd to 4th cousin range to "RC". the new detective who deals with the cold cases is working on trying to build a family tree. hopefully, he can establish a familial connection.

 

[CountSnap]

Whoa!
A strong suspect. That would be incredible.
But if they are building a genealogical tree then it is likely only a matter of time.

 

[Marziaforevercherry]

came here and saw it looks like they are doing a genealogy tree, this gives me hope