CO CO - Pueblo, WhtMale UP9865, 40-60, bushy mustache, Aug'89

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  1. Treelights

    Treelights New Member

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    NamUs case # 9865
    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9865

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    Remains found in Pueblo County, Colorado, August 1989.
    Postmortem interval 2 days.
    Estimated weight :160 Lbs.
    Estimated height : 5ft. 10"
    Hair, reddish in color (red/auburn)
    bushy mustache
    Clothing and accessories:
    Clothing on body:
    Blue, yellow and white flannel shirt with arms cut off; old blue jeans.
    Clothing with body:
    Black Athletix tennis shoes.
    Jewelry:
    Black Casio watch with plastic band.

    The Pueblo Police Department Facebook Page
    added a sketch of the victim yesterday:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...9277558.122657.506635449354201&type=1&theater

    "Can you identify this 1989 John Doe Homicide Victim? If so please call us at 553-2502 or through Crime Stoppers at 542- STOP (7867)" (Area code 719)

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pueblo-Police-Department/506635449354201
     
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  2. joeytes

    joeytes Active Member

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    Using a NAMUS Comparison, there are 2 possible missing persons who can possibly be John Doe from Pueblo Colorado.


    Richard Meyer, who disappeared July 29, 1989 from Boulder Co

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1316/3/

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/meyer_richard.html

    Jerry Jones, who was last seen September 1, 1989 traveling by car from from South Carolina to California. There have been instances where missing persons were indicated to have been seen at a later date than they actually were.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11103/0/

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jones_jerry.html

    DNA is not available for Richard Meyer or Jerry Jones. A comparison will confirm if this is a match or not.

    This info was already forwarded to Pueblo Police.
     
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  3. Treelights

    Treelights New Member

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    The sketch of this UID looks similar to Jerry Jones.
     
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  4. joeytes

    joeytes Active Member

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    Just checking this now. Richard Meyer is ruled out.
     
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    madamx Well-Known Member

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    Bimping
     
  6. YaYa_521

    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
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    Exclusions
    MP19371 Craig Alexander 01/28/1985 Chittenden VT
    MP32359 James Bonelli 04/27/1989 Cuyahoga OH
    MP9410 Theodore Dengerud 04/03/1982 Kandiyohi MN
    MP28388 Nicholas Dolce 09/02/1986 Las Animas CO
    MP23457 Brian Jones 01/07/1985 San Mateo CA
    MP1316 Richard Meyer 07/29/1989 Boulder CO
    MP15624 JAMES WELTER 01/01/1986 Jackson MS
    MP9296 Jimmy Whitfield 03/07/1987 Oconee SC
     
  7. fantascination

    fantascination Well-Known Member

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    Case Information

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    Link to NAMUS file


    Case Numbers
    NCMEC Number--
    ME/C Case Number89-16501
    Demographics
    SexMale
    Race / EthnicityWhite / Caucasian
    Possible First Name --
    Possible Middle Name--
    Possible Last Name--
    Nickname/Alias--
    Estimated Age GroupAdult
    Estimated Age Range (Years)40-60
    Estimated Year of Death1989
    Estimated PMI2 Days
    Height5' 10"(70 inches) , Estimated
    Weight160 lbs, Estimated

    Circumstances
    TypeUnidentified Deceased
    Date Body FoundAugust 14, 1989
    NamUs Case CreatedFebruary 10, 2012
    ME/C QA ReviewedFebruary 11, 2012

    Location Found Map
    LocationPueblo, Colorado
    CountyPueblo County
    GPS Coordinates (Not Mapped)--
    Found On Tribal Land--
    Circumstances of RecoveryRemains recovered in Pueblo, Colorado.
    Details of Recovery

    Inventory of RemainsAll parts recovered
    Condition of RemainsNot recognizable - Decomposing/putrefaction
    Physical Description
    Hair ColorRed/Auburn
    Head Hair Description Hair was reddish in color
    Body Hair DescriptionBushy mustache
    Facial Hair Description--
    Left Eye Color--
    Right Eye Color--
    Eye Description--
    Distinctive Physical Features
    No Known Information


    Clothing and Accessories
    Item
    Description
    Clothing
    Blue, yellow and white flannel shirt with arms cut off; old blue jeans.
    On the Body

    Clothing
    Black Athletix tennis shoes.
    Near the Body

    Jewelry
    Black Casio watch with plastic band.
    On the Body

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    I hail from Pueblo, so this UID stood out to me while I was going through NamUs. Information on what happened to him is pretty sparse - there isn’t a cause of death listed for him.

    I wanted to make a post about him because I think I may have found a match for him. I am super new to sleuthing and I may be entirely off - some of the demographics don’t line up exactly - but I think the resemblance is really striking and the dates kind of match up.

    The missing person is Michael Bruce Gove, MP18142. Michael went missing from Sunset Beach, California on September 9th, 1988. He was apparently headed to Las Vegas, and was never seen or heard from again.

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    The demographics between Michael and the UID mostly match up - UID was estimated 5’10”, Michael was 5’9”. UID was estimated 160 lb, Michael was 150. UID was estimated to be 40-60, Michael was 41 when he disappeared. Both had mustaches and what looks to be long, shaggy hair. The hair color doesn’t match - Michael’s hair is described as brown, and the UID’s is described as red/auburn. But the picture we have of Michael makes it look more sandy, and possibly could be interpreted as auburn, if there are tinges of brown. The clothing description even matches somewhat - plaid/flannel shirt and blue jeans.

    The file on Michael here says that he had drug issues, as well. The time between Michael’s disappearance and the UID’s discovery is a little under a year, which I think is more than enough time for Michael to get from California to Vegas to Pueblo, for whatever reason. Reason would you lead you to think that somebody would have spotted Michael in that year time-frame, but I can’t find any information on when he was actually reported missing, so it’s possible nobody was looking for him at that time.

    Here is a side-by-side of the two:

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    What do y’all think? Am I crazy? I’ve never done actual sleuthing before so I’m a little in the dark. And if I’m breaking any rules or doing anything improperly, please let me know.
     
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  8. fantascination

    fantascination Well-Known Member

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    Hey y’all, I made my own thread for this UID, didn’t realize there was already a thread.

    I think this might be Michael Bruce Gove: NamUs, Doe Network

    It’s kind of a long shot, I know - Michael went missing from CA, and the hair color doesn’t match. But I think enough of the demographics match for it to be worth consideration, and I personally see a strong resemblance between Michael and the sketch. Michael’s Doe Network file also says he had addiction issues, and Pueblo has had a problem with drugs for a long time. There’s a little under a year between when Michael went missing and when the UID was found - which is more than enough time for Michael to end up in Pueblo, for whatever reason. Logic would lead you to think that somebody would have spotted Michael in that year, but I can’t find any info as to when Michael was actually reported missing, so it’s possible nobody was looking for him at that time.

    I’ve submitted it to the Doe Network as a potential match, just to see what they say. Here’s a side-by-side:
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    What do y’all think?
     
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  9. MadMcGoo

    MadMcGoo Well-Known Member

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    You can just “report” your original post and the threads can be merged. :) I can’t see the rule out list, but Michael looks like a very good possibility! You did wonderful with the post by the way ;)
     

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