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  1. masnitram

    masnitram Antithesis

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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1550umco.html

    Unidentified White Male


    The victim was discovered on October 12, 2002 in Saguache, Colorado

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 30-40 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 6'5"; 235-240 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Possibly brown hair. No identifying marks, tattoos or broken bones were detected.
    Clothing: A Harley Davidson T-shirt and black briefs. Fort Washington, Maryland was printed on the back of the T-shirt.
    Dentals: The man had no teeth and no dentures were found at the scene.
    Fingerprints: Available


    Case History:

    The victim was located lying in a ravine in the Rio Grande Forest, just off a dirt road about 14 miles west of Saguache.
    The body was partly frozen when found October 12, 2002 and it has not been determined how long it may have lain in the ditch.
    The man was wrapped in black plastic secured with duct tape and had been wrapped in a handmade, antique quilt.
    An autopsy attributed the cause of death to two gunshot wounds to the head, fired at close range.

    Authorities over the years have speculated that because the man was found not long after the last Hells Angels rally was held in Gunnison, he could have ridden to the rally from out of state and met with foul play in that time frame. But until an identification is made, it will be hard to determine whether there is any real connection to the rally.



    Interesting UID case, not too many options to choose from. Found Craig Allen Reed to be the closest possibility based on the height,weight, and age of the UID. No indication however if Craig Reed had dentures and/or no teeth. Thoughts?


    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/reed_craig.html
     
  2. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    His chin sure looks right, and I'd say the facial shape is close enough.

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    Everything else (aside from dentals) looks good. The physical characteristics section is quite thin. So the fact that it doesn't mention dentures or no teeth doesn't mean that's not the case.

    Overall, looks good to me. I think I looked at this case once, but 'll take a look again to see what I can find.


    ETA: Nothing else came up on my screen that looked very promising.
     
  3. masnitram

    masnitram Antithesis

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    Thanks Carl. I went back until Oct. 2001 on the Charley site and noone else listed was remotely close to 6'5" other then Craig. I found a few others who resemble the drawing, but no mention of height and weight for either man...I'm going to look into them a little more (and post if anything adds up).
     
  4. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I found six others from 1999 to 2002 who meet (or come close to) the age and height requirements:

    Patrick Sukeforth
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    http://www.nampn.org/cases/sukeforth_patrick.html
    Boating Accident - Not our guy.

    Daniel Joseph Lahrman
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    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lahrman_daniel.html
    Doesn't look like him to me.

    Wesley Barrett Tedder
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    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/tedder_wesley.html
    Doesn't look like him to me.

    Scott Anthony Gilchrist
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    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/gilchrist_scott.html
    Could be, but nothing jumps out there.

    James Vincent Bierman
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    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bierman_james.html
    Apparent landslide victim. Not our guy.

    Wayne George Pavlick
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    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pavlik_wayne.html
    Could be. Fat on face may explain lack of resemblance to recon, but nothing to sieze upon.
     
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    ok, might have found this guy.

    Steven Gabbard, missing from Kentucky June 10, 2002, was 39 y.o., between 6'2"-6'4", around 200 lbs, most definitely a biker and as per the Namus profile had upper dentures. hair color is stated to be black but the picture definitely looks brown to me.

    among the clothing and accessories he is listed with are:

    Black Outlaws T-shirt & Leather vest and blue jeans
    Black Harley boots
    black wallet with Harley Davidson on it with a silver chain

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/9476/1/

    the Doe Network page for the UID mentioned a Hells Angel rally, which apparently started shortly after July 22, 2002:

    http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/v...-beach-m-c-show-today-no-patches-allowed.html

    that is just one month after Gabbard was last seen in KY.

    I realize the weight is off a bit, and there is no mention of lower dentures, but there seems to be many things pointing his way.
     
  7. masnitram

    masnitram Antithesis

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    Sorry for the very delayed reply webrocket. This is one thread I forgot to track...anyways....did you submit Mr Gabbard?

     
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    I did not Masnitram. can you do a side by side with the images? for some reason I either have not been able to figure that out or I just can't do it with my laptop.

    the biggest negative with Gabbard is that he was listed as having upper dentures and the UID had no teeth at all.
     
  9. masnitram

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    I haven't figured out how to do a side-by-side on my laptop either...

    However I did zip an email to the Namus case manager regarding Mr. Gabbard, his known associations with the Hells Angels and the time line is too good to pass up IMO.


     
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    I agree that there's enough here to make me curious. Good find webrocket. Let's hope it's a match.
     
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    the UID is still not in Namus and Gabbard's profile is still up. I assume you heard nothing back Masnitram?
     
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    I haven't heard anything. Might be time to resubmit Craig Reed and Mr. Gabbard....honestly though I think Gabbard is the best match out of the two of them, but it wouldn't hurt to submit both.
     
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    I still don't see the UID in Namus and Gabbard is still there. did you ever follow up Masnitram?
     
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    This UID has been added to NamUs. NamUs UP #15756

    When I saw this UID added I thought Steven Gabbard is a really likely match. After searching Websleuths I see that other people had the same thought.
     
  15. masnitram

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    I have emailed the Namus case manager about this UID and Mr. Gabbard. I assume that because both profiles say "Sample submitted: Tests complete" that no DNA match has been made....but just in case

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk
     
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    "We are already looking into Steven Gabbard to compare to this UP as he’s come up before. Once we can compare him, if he is excluded, a public exclusion will be posted to the NamUs UP website.

    Thank you for your interest in these cases,

    Melissa Gregory

    NamUs"

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    Steven Gabbard seems to be a strong possibility, but I thought I'd throw this guy out there in the event that it turns out to not be Steven.

    http://www.nampn.org/cases/darrow_dale.html

    What makes him a VERY long shot is he disappeared in 1990. Apparently his car was found in 1991 but I can't find any information on where it was or what the circumstances were.

    But he matches the height right on (6'4" to 6'6") and is close in age (31 years old at time of disappearance, ~43 as of 2002), and I think he looks a LOT like the recon in the eyes, nose, eyebrows and ears. Rest of the face is hard to tell due to his beard. (Also clearly he had teeth in 1990 or whenever that photo was taken, but that could have changed).

    In general it seems kind of weird in this UID case that they are looking specifically at the recent Hells Angels rally, but give no time frame whatsoever on when they believe the UID was killed. I'd think that for them to consider the Gunnison rally the body would have to be in a state where they could at least say he died within, I dunno, 3-6 months of whenever the rally was.
     
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    Gabbard looks to be the UID. Everything is lined up. Last seen June 10th with the event in Colorado just a little over a month away. Was his Motorcycle ever found?
     
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    "I think we dodged a bullet". Well sheriff, no you didn't.

    [​IMG]
     
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    It's been over a year and Gabbard hasn't shown up as a rule out on NamUs. Any updates?
     

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