Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #19

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  1. Thepoet

    Thepoet Well-Known Member

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    Excellent. That's true. Initially good planning; some place he was supposed to be, and yet far out, would mark any odors, and would eventually nullify all clues. That plan was ruined by the late flight.
     
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  2. Thepoet

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    I think the prosecution will make a clean sweep! Three strikes and he's out!
     
  3. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    I think that’s far more probable than not.
     
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  4. ray9898

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    That is why I do not think it was a planned event. The timeline was going to be problem either way. I have seen nothing that would make me think this something that had to happen that night. That is why I think it was a spur of the moment crime.

    Either way, nothing after the deaths shows there was any planning involved.
     
  5. Thepoet

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    First, at that point he thought he was too smart to be caught.

    Second, I believe where he left the bodies was on the way to his work site.

    Finally, if everything was planned and prepared for ahead of time, he was stuck when the delayed flight forced him to move quickly.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    I think the judge decides. Looks like the sentencing court has discretion. If there's more than one victim a consecutive sentence could be more likely:

    Concurrent vs. Consecutive Sentencing in Colorado | Denver Criminal Defense Attorneys | Arapahoe County Criminal Defense Law Firm

    If the jury convicts him of second degree murder for Shanann, but with a heat of passion finding, he could get a reduced sentence.

    Second degree murder = minimum of 16 years in Colorado and up to 48.

    Second degree murder is reduced to third degree "extraordinary risk" felony with a range of 4-16 years, if they find he acted with a heat of passion.

    "Second Degree Murder" |Colorado Law 18-3-103 C.R.S.

    Class 3 Felony Crimes in Colorado

    I believe there's no chance in hell a judge would sentence him to 4 years.

    I don't see any scenario, even if he is believed, where a jury could find this to be just manslaughter "reckless killing". 2-6 years prison.
    Colorado "manslaughter" laws (explained by defense lawyers)

    @MCDRAW asked me last thread if I thought he could get acquitted. I'm pretty confident he won't. But I'm scared of the process to get there. Like a hung jury first.

    I think, I hope, I pray it will be guilty of five counts of first degree murder.
     
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  7. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    I agree. As of now, there isn’t any evidence that this crime was planned to occur on the night that it did. I think if there was a plan, it was vague in terms of timing and specificity.
     
  8. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Good point. Can you link me?
     
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  9. BingoBongo

    BingoBongo Inquiring minds want to know.

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    I think his original "plan" was to make them all disappear via the tanks (physical degradation over time would probably have achieved that). He'd just claim that SW found out about his affairs, confronted him, and then she took off with the girls.

    But SW's flight delay, NU and his mother-in-laws persistence which caused LE getting involved quickly, put a major crimp in his "plans". He ran out of time and had to make something up...SW strangling her girls, and him strangling her.

    He probably ran into complications disposing of SW's body (tank opening too small/too hard to carry her?) and thought he's temporarily hide her, then come back later and do a better job of disposal.

    Makes me sick to type those words; disposal, degradation, disappear. :-(

    Normal people will never be able to comprehend how a spouse and parent can do those things and think that way. Normal people have empathy and the ability to truly love. I don't believe he does.
     
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    You are correct, and this is what perplexes me. Per the arrest affidavit, CW told LE on Monday that at 5:27 a.m. that morning, he left to check on a job site near Hudson. He did point LE in the right overall direction, but my understanding is SW and the girls' bodies were discovered about 15 miles to the NE of Hudson.

    I don't know what to make of this, other than maybe he wasn't aware that GPS would be so exact?
     
  11. Thepoet

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    I don't think anyone believes he was or is rational! Rational people don't annihilate their family. Many killers, have in fact, murdered in their homes. MacDonald did. Peterson probably did. And the list goes on. Gitana makes some good points, above, about the location. It's that pesky little flight delay that changed everything. And then NAU changed it all again. And still he was so cool, calm, and collected during the interviews, except when the smirking devil peeked out!
     
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    Isn't Hudson on the way to Cervi 319?
     
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    The scenario I was suggesting is one on which SW had already discovered the adultery. And maybe the girls overheard her talking about the situation and one of them let it slip, so CW knew plans for them to leave were underway. I agree on the explosive argument point...and any number of things could have led to that.
     
  14. BingoBongo

    BingoBongo Inquiring minds want to know.

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    Or...maybe there was no real plan, but a long-simmering anger. One night that anger boiled over into murderous rage and the rest was his cobbled-together plan to hastily hide the bodies without a lot of thought going into tying up all the loose ends.

    Once reality set in, and he knew what a mess he'd made of it all, he came up with a half-a**ed plan to cover his a**. I think the interviews with the media on his front porch were enlightening in that (to me) they reflected a nervousness, a need to self-protect/self-soothe (hugging himself and rocking) and a barely hidden evil smirk.

    I think this is a guy who deep down, has no feelings for others. He was good at emulating what is "normal" until that didn't suit his needs any longer. But at some point, I think he felt the depth of what he'd done, not from a sense of horror and shame, but the sense that now his goose was cooked and he was in trouble big time. His feelings, are only for himself.

    Editing my posts to correct spelling and incomplete/unclear thoughts. And, fat fingers. :)
     
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  15. Thepoet

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    A friend of mine works for a school district transportation department and he told me the buses have two (2) GPS. One that actually allows them to go online and see where the bus is. The other monitors and records speed and other information. I wonder if CW's Anadarko truck is like that. Maybe he disconnected one not knowing about the other.
     
  16. cottonweaver

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    I had a look too BB. Try imbd , he has a list on there.

    This link also had 4 mistresses as current tally incl their hair color - based on FB groups.
    I was at 6 incl the swingers woman last month. I don't think we've reached the bottom yet....




    of journalism scrapes from FB!:D
     
  17. gitana1

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    I really disagree. I think he had some tells that betrayed some slight level of anxiety. Like hard swallows. But he was relatively calm as a cucumber.

    Very nervous? Not close. That would include signs like dry mouth, which actually appears with just general nervousness, trembling -we saw none- sweating (also none), breathlessness or inability to catch his breath (none), rapid blinking, etc.

    I've seen more nerves in people giving a speech or stopped for a traffic violation!
     
  18. ray9898

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    No way. Even the dumbest criminal knows as a spouse you will be the first suspect in a family disappearance. You don't leave a breadcrumb trail to the bodies unless it is the only option you have leaving you to hope for the best. No one thinks they are that smart, it is obvious even to a moron that will be followed up on.

    They lived in Frederick, he told LE his day started at a site in Hudson which was 20 miles from his home. The actual disposal site was near Roggen was was another 20 miles away.
     
  19. Thepoet

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    Don't forget, he never rubbed his eyes or face, doing so would have been a sign of sadness or distress. And he primped for the reporter who commented on his shirt.
     
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    Good catch. I had my suspicions when I first read his take on CW -- don't understand the leaps he makes from adultery to multiple murder -- the former is neither neither necessary nor sufficient for the latter, and no psychologist I work with would suggest it -- among several other dubious claims.
     
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