GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #62

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  1. Tortoise

    Tortoise Well-Known Member

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    I think if you allow yourself to be photographed naked and send it to another device, you always run that risk that someone else will be shown it and it will not be under your control - for the rest of your life. She wasn't naive 15.
     
  2. Steelhead

    Steelhead Well-Known Member

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    And I loved the part when he was asked to list all the ways a person could cause someone's disappearance through murder. He mentions a few, but doesn't list strangling or smothering. Imagine that!

    Discovery page 597:
    "I explained to CHRIS that a person could physically cause another person’s disappearance by murdering
    them. CHRIS agreed with my statement. I asked CHRIS to list all the physical ways a person could cause
    someone’s disappearance through murder. CHRIS stated, “Stab someone, shoot someone, hit em’ with a
    blunt object, um, what else is there, I mean, use a weapon of like a gun or a knife.”
    CHRIS appeared to be
    thinking so I said, “You could smother someone.” CHRIS repeated what I said and I immediately said, “You
    could strangle someone.” CHRIS said, “You could hang some—…yea, you can –all that kind of things…I
    mean, it’s hard to even think about that kind of stuff right now.” I continued with telling CHRIS a person could
    drown, shock, or burn someone to death. I asked CHRIS if he could think of any other ways to murder
    someone and he said, “Lure them into a trap…I guess.” I asked CHRIS to explain and he said you could
    have someone waiting around the corner and an accident could happen, such as getting hit by a car. I told
    CHRIS that a person could kidnap another person and he agreed and said someone could take a person
    somewhere and torture them and leave them without food or water. CHRIS then stated that a person could
    poison another person or beat them to death as a way to make them disappear. I asked CHRIS if he would
    have an issue with that question on the test and he said he could definitely pass that question."
     
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  3. zea mays

    zea mays Well-Known Member

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    You are correct that he didn't specifically say alcohol, I wasn't very precise when I said that, I apologize.

    The relevant part of the pre-polygrah interview is in Part 2 at 29:40. She said "drug or alcohol abuse" and he responded "my Dad struggled with that...".

    I think they had. Graham said something in the interview after the polygraph about knowing about the affair, CW protested to not get "her" involved, and later Graham dropped the name "Nikki" and you can almost see CW flinch a bit. It seemed a deliberate way to question him about her - to see what CW would reveal on his own, but then drop her name to imply they knew everything. So, I think they had had at least that initial interview with her at that point.
     
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    zea mays Well-Known Member

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    If anyone wants to see this part of the pre-polygraph interview it's in Part 4 around 50:40
     
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    Couldas, shouldas, wouldas - if only she knew what we all know now
     
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  6. curiouschat

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    I mean there's a lot of things that may put someone at risk for an increased chance of some kind of violation, like going out and getting wasted, but that does not make it ok to violate them. And here we have it done by authorities instead of for instance, an angry ex blasting pics on revenge porn sites. I find it disturbing either way. (And I am perfectly willing to speculate that she may have had more of a part in the murders than we know right now, but I also think it's very possible she didn't. And I really hate corrective shaming of women for being too indiscreet)
     
  7. Iamlysaloo

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    Maybe trash bags like the one in the picture over the doll?
     
  8. zea mays

    zea mays Well-Known Member

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    Did they release the naked photos? I didn't see any nudes. The only "racy" photo I saw was NK in a skimpy-ish bathing suit posing in a bathroom? Presumably something she actually has or would wear to the beach?

    I agree that the police releasing actual nude photos would be inappropriate.
     
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  9. Charlot123

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    For one, if the detectives did not know about her, there'd be no motive. It might have gone to trial, with unpredictable results.
     
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  10. Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats

    Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats Well-Known Member

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    No one said she broke any laws by making private photos. I do not care what kind of private photos anyone makes. To my knowledge only the one bathroom picture has been released so I am not sure what other pictures you are referring to and implying the police are not protecting her privacy.
     
  11. Thepoet

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    Or something would have set him off and he would have murdered NK! He was a timebomb! IMHO.
     
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    She knew there was a tv in there somehow....
     
  13. katie565

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    I thought I read that you could send messages and even make phone calls. Am I wrong? @MassGuy
     
  14. Tippy Lynn

    Tippy Lynn Well-Known Member

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    I think so too. If NK would have threatened to tell SW about the affair things could have gone in a completely different direction.
    jmo
     
  15. Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats

    Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats Well-Known Member

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    Some keep referring to these nude pictures as if the police released them and to my knowledge they have not. I have only seen the one of her posing in lingerie in the bathroom.
     
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    molly1255 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but I'm not seeing indiscreet as being the problem.
     
  17. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    The affair was likely a motive for murder. Everything related to that affair, is important.

    This isn’t about “shaming,” it is evidence involving a mass murder.

    A murder investigation is more important than this woman’s reputation.

    I don’t think any lines were crossed.
     
  18. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    In the background of that particular photo you can see the person who took it.

    Looks a lot like CW to me.
     
  19. Charlot123

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    No they did not. But in the interview - when they asked her to give them her phone, she seemed not too trusting that they would keep her privacy?

    This is what I mean - and it is not about her, it is about how much ends up in public access as the result of all the court proceedings?
     
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  20. Curious.1

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    I find it interesting, people previously (and some still) defending NK's actions because she's "young". Thirty shouldn't be considered an immature age IMO. By 30, most people have been working (paid or unpaid i.e. raising children) anywhere from 8 to 14 years, depending on further education. Previous generations of women without access to birth control and/or further education or careers would have had many, many children by 30, all being well with fertility. Where on earth, literally, is a 30 year old not expected to know right from wrong or know that laughing during a missing persons/murder enquiry is inappropriate? She has problems, but not from a lack of time on this earth IMO.
     
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