GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #65

[ilovewings]

I learned some new information but watching this made it clear that Nicole, Shannan's best and dearest friend is a hero of this case. She was the catalyst in getting the investigation started. She called the police really quickly when she found out that Shannan did not keep her doctor appt.

I just want to cry for/with NUA...you can see how heartbroken she is. Bless her for her loyalty to her friend.

Nicole is the hero of this case: she was the catalyst that began the investigation into Shannan and her babies disappearance. Without her remarkably quick call to the police to relate the disappearance of her dear friend, this case could have a totally different ending. As you stated, you can see how heartbroken she remains and I imagine she will be that way for a long long time.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I honestly think his relationship with NK was better than with SW, and it is not only about sex. However, it was the beginning of the affair, and NK would have probably changed with time, too.

I would bet anything his infatuation when he met Shan’ann was as intense as it was for NK. Shanann stead he chased her hard, love bombed her. There is no comparison between a wife of 6 years, children and responsibilities with a secret affair. I wouldn’t even call his affair with NK a relationship yet. The excitement of new sex, secret apps, hiding his actions make lust seem like something real.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

They had more common interests. Their hobbies matched. SW and CW had a family, but they were very different people.

Interesting observation, he was into healthy eating, macros with NK but prior to her he was into eating Shanann’s baking and Italian meals. It seems to be he takes on the interests of who ever he us with. What do you see that they had in common ?

 

[RachB65]

FGS, what's wrong with setting the record straight.

How bout setting the record straight if the Watts were paid for THEIR interviews? They can interview Shanann's family a dozen times and pay for it and it will never come close to compensating for the loss of their family. Why does THIS record need to be gotten straight? For whose knowledge? For those who wish to cast aspersion?

 

[ilovewings]

They had more common interests. Their hobbies matched. SW and CW had a family, but they were very different people.

You know a marriage is about more than "common interests"- they were married for 8 years and their common interests at that point WERE TWO BEAUTIFUL GIRLS -- life changes after marriage: at the beginning of any relationship it is about doing things together, going places, having similar interests. As the relationship develops and matures it becomes a partnership and morphs into a family. Who cares if their hobbies matched after 8 years? he was a husband and father --as any relationship goes on the people in it change and may become "different people".

Mature people adjust to those differences because of the love both people have for each other. Then there are those men that begin to have an itch for other women, better sex, more sex etc. and there are women who do the same thing. they get bored and to feel more excitement.

Then you have the rare person who decides to murder his family because he wanted a new life. he is a sociopath and decided to get rid of the obstacles that was keeping him from what he wanted.

Sadly Shannan never saw it coming.

 

[LenaFromNola]

FYI, “Jay for Justice” is one of the Murder Rap Sesh pod women. After the podcast got kicked off iTunes and the two hosts turned on each other, she split off and started that. She’s trying to distance herself from MRS because of all the blowback about it, but let it be known that she is not a victim-friendly person. She spent months gleefully bashing Shanann on the MRS podcast and on their horrid Facebook page.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

It's so hard to understand what Ronnie's saying in his police interview but I have managed to decipher him saying that Shanann reached out and sent him the sonogram on Thursday, the day before she left for Arizona. I can't understand everything he says after that but in view of the continued facetime problem on the Sunday, I'm gathering it was to the effect that it was too late for that, after blocking them for the last 6 weeks. I'm sure Shanann sent them Cece's birthday invitation, so RW is just turning this all around, playing the victim and minimizing his role in the problem.

I think Shanann sent him the sonogram because she knew how much it affected CW, not because she felt she was wrong to have picked up the children and left. She was desperate to save her marriage.

I agree, she said in her texts to Chris she was not going to be he reason he did not see his parents when he came to NC. It seems she always tried to do the right thing, she did not want to make her husband choose. I think she sent the sonogram for the same reason, the ball was in their court if they wanted to make peace, she reached out to them. I had issues with my MIL to the point I told my husband I was done, I would not travel to go see her and don’t invite her to our home. He understood and it did not cause problems between us. Because I loved him, I told him I did not care if he went to see her, took our kids, just don’t expect me to go, I did not want to make him choose. I see Shanann doing the same thing for Chris.

 

[kizzykat]

Interesting observation, he was into healthy eating, macros with NK but prior to her he was into eating Shanann’s baking and Italian meals. It seems to be he takes on the interests of who ever he us with. What do you see that they had in common ?

That's the impression I got when they released CW's google history while seeing NK. Dead sea scrolls, the volcano, some other things I can't remember because it's super early and I'm low on caffeine. ETA: it seemed like he was trying to learn about things that NK was interested in.

 

[NuttMegg]

Frank Rzucek (father) interview with investigator (1:06:00) – audio only

Salt of the Earth. Frank would be such a good friend and neighbor.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

It was by SW in a text to a friend, I have a screenshot but I don’t know how to attach it directly from my phone.

Basically in response to a friend saying saying (re Chris)

“he doesn’t seem like the cheating kind he is dedicated to you guys”

Shan’ann responded “His dad also isn’t the coke kind of guy but he did it when Chris was 18 and left for college”

From the latest doc dump

We have read a lot about Chris’s enmeshment with his mother but he seems to be more enmeshed with his dad. I’ve read statements Chris made about his dad could not handle him moving out after high school and that was the reson for the drug abuse. His relationship with his dad was his concern after the NC incident and Shannan felt he blamed her for that, he asked only for his dad to come to Colorado. I’d like to hear more about their relationship. Was it because Cindy is, well, who she is, both parents seem to be very unhealthy , to say the least, as parents.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

It was by SW in a text to a friend, I have a screenshot but I don’t know how to attach it directly from my phone.

Basically in response to a friend saying saying (re Chris)

“he doesn’t seem like the cheating kind he is dedicated to you guys”

Shan’ann responded “His dad also isn’t the coke kind of guy but he did it when Chris was 18 and left for college”

From the latest doc dump

We have read a lot about Chris’s enmeshment with his mother but he seems to be more enmeshed with his dad. I’ve read statements Chris made about his dad could not handle him moving out after high school and that was the reson for the drug abuse. His relationship with his dad was his concern after the NC incident and Shannan felt he blamed her for that, he asked only for his dad to come to Colorado. I’d like to hear more about their relationship. Was it because Cindy is, well, who she is, both parents seem to be very unhealthy , to say the least, as parents.

 

[Mamamiamaria]

PommyMommy posted an article saying that LE confirmed to CrimeOnline (?) that 2017 was a typo.

I think Tigerlily has posted just above that their first texts started in June 2018. She may have searched Shanann before then but that is when they started communicating.

That is an odd typo though, the year is a common error people make, 17 instead of 18, but Sept 2018 makes no sense in the timeframe we are talking about.

 

[LenaFromNola]

I learned some new information but watching this made it clear that Nicole, Shannan's best and dearest friend is a hero of this case. She was the catalyst in getting the investigation started. She called the police really quickly when she found out that Shannan did not keep her doctor appt.

Nicole is the hero of this case: she was the catalyst that began the investigation into Shannan and her babies disappearance. Without her remarkably quick call to the police to relate the disappearance of her dear friend, this case could have a totally different ending. As you stated, you can see how heartbroken she remains and I imagine she will be that way for a long long time.

I’m glad that Shanann trusted and confided in her and Cassie so much. Had they not known exactly how crappily CW had been treating his wife, they may have been more hesitant to call police after he urged them both not to.

 

[NuttMegg]

Sure having a lot of problems loading the site since last night!

Does anyone have a link to video interviews of Mrs. Watts?

 

[Tortoise]

Oh ok, I must have missed that post, sorry. You could be right but I think he’d been thinking about wiping his family out for a long time prior, his family and NK just gave him the perfect excuse, in his mind.

Let's hope I can get this typed before the site crashes on me again

Before Shanann went to NC they were very close and they jointly decided on a 3rd baby. Even in her first week away they were intimate over the phone.

Now he was cheating on her at the same time but that doesn't mean he was planning on killing his family to be with NK in those early stages of the affair. IMO.

 

[NuttMegg]

Duplicate

 

[Tortoise]

That is an odd typo though, the year is a common error people make, 17 instead of 18, but Sept 2018 makes no sense in the timeframe we are talking about.

I agree but even if she was snooping around that early the texts in June seem to be confirmation of when the affair started, unless they were setting up a false trail which seems very unlikely.

 

[esayer]

Shanann’s newly released text messages hit me hard. You can really feel just how cruel Chris’ abandonment was. He stole her happiness and left her agonizing over his betrayal and scrambling to figure out how to create a livable future for herself and her children in what would be the final month and a half of her time here on earth.
Chris had probably figured out she’d have to live with her parents and would petition to move their children to N.C., meaning he’d have to spend legal fees to fight her or pay full child support for most of the year, maybe both. There wouldn't be enough funds left over to cruise around in a new Audi, buy jewelry and go on vacation with his mistress, so he killed his whole family - that's how selfish he was.

That pic she sent to NUA of her in the car looking totally broken...so sad.

 

[esayer]

This is exactly what I was thinking. How does a middle aged (mid to late 40's) family man end up addicted to cocaine? How does he even get his hands on it - wouldn't he need to buy it from a drug dealer?

That's extremely risky, and JMO, it's also a walk on the wild side. He could have been arrested and ended up in prison for that.

You think RW is mid to late 40s?? lol. Edit: Oh you're talking about back in the day! Well I am mid 40s and acquiring cocaine is easy peasy if I wanted it! It's everywhere!

 

[Tortoise]

You think RW is mid to late 40s?? lol.

Wouldn't he have been around that age when CW left to go to college?