GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #65

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  1. Gecko100

    Gecko100 Well-Known Member

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    Hello all:) I have just been over to Psychcentral and they have an article on malignant covert narcissists, mentioning Watts. If you go over there just search for the term. Embarrassed because I've forgotten how to link stuff ha ha:D
     


  2. x_files

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    It is frightening to think someone is capable of this kind of cold-blooded murder. So, yes maybe this scares the hell out of most people to accept it. Anyone working with people in LE knows this does indeed happen.
     
  3. Tortoise

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    I think he was just getting himself tied up in knots and lying on the hoof. He wasn't too good at lies he hadn't had a chance to rehearse. Like when Tammy asked him who he went to the football game with. That was painful to watch because you could almost see his brain thinking do I carry on with this or not - how many minutes before I'm gonna be busted. That was like watching a pre-schooler lying.
     
  4. MsBetsy

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    I think he may have been "hollow" all his life. He was aware of it, tried to hide it, and learned how to act normal by observing others and maybe doing research.
    He is indeed a truly pathetic, completely broken individual.
    It's hard to feel sorry for him after all that he has done. If only he had gotten help a long time ago. I would really like to know the r
    I think the fact that he was only getting about four hours of sleep a night, according to Nickol, probably didn't help. But I also don't think there was any mention of his drinking energy drinks, like Monsters or something like that, which have huge amounts of caffeine. I think he just used the Thrive Products. Imo
     
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  5. Mamamiamaria

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    Spoiled and selfish is what he was, imo, used to getting his own way. He decided he wanted out so he got out. Only problem is he didn't have the guts or the grace to allow Shanann have her life without him. He disposed of them all, not through rage, or mental illness but through selfishness. He wanted a new life without complication or responsibility. He has that now just not in the way he envisaged.

    Only a monster kills and dumps their own children. Regardless of whether or not you believe his relationship with NK played a part in his decision, only a truly bad person could carry out what he did.
     
  6. Doghairrules

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    I hope NUA gets some really good therapy. We should all be so lucky to have friends like her.
     
  7. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    AreSW parents divorced?
     
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  8. Tortoise

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    No.
     
  9. MsBetsy

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    I think he had a psych eval at the diagnostic Prison, which may have helped to determine where to place him. The problem is, he lies so much the tests may indicate deception and be inconclusive. But I'm sure they will still tell us something. I don't know if they will be made public or not. We have seen results in other cases but I don't know how that works. I am interested in seeing them. He may have just had a general assessment so far but I am hoping he will be given others, especially tests for specific Personality Disorders.
     
  10. kirkassoc

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    There were TWO garbage bags found at the crime scene as disclosed in the new discovery documents I read this morning. So, apparently he put his babies in garbage bags and wrapped Shanann in the fitted bed sheet to load them in the truck in case he was spotted. What a loving husband and father. He makes Freddie Kruger look like a saint, IMHO. I imagine he removed the bags so they wouldn't become lodged in anything. JMO, MOO. He reminds me of a walking, talking machine with some moving parts, but absolutely nothing going on inside.
     
  11. curiouschat

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    I've seen comments on youtube hoping NK kills herself too. :( The whole thing is so tragic, I know people are shocked and react to things differently but I don't feel better by thinking of retribution. I have no problem at all about him spending the rest of his life in jail and I would be truly appalled if he was somehow free to go on and make a new family or something.

    The only thing is if it was some kind of psychotic break or extreme manic episode that he "recovers" from in any capacity, I would think his own mental torture over it all would be worse than anything anyone else could do to him, and I can't help but feel a pity about that (which is NOT the same as "supporting" him or being "team Chris" or whatever some might say)
     
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  12. Trudie

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    IMO, it’s not unreasonable to think he got mixed up in recreational drug use as he embarked on his newfound “bachelor lifestyle”.
    I have not heard of any medical conditions he suffered for which opiate/opioids would be prescribed. But, they are readily available, off the street.
    Every person is affected differently-no high or withdrawal symptom is the same.
    Even using Oxy once or twice could cause a person to have cravings. Not full fledged addiction but the brain would be asking for more. This can’t be helped, even with Sub’ strips or methadone.
    Interestingly, persons misusing Oxy need little sleep, suffer loss of appetite & feel relaxed although euphoric.
    After it is wears off, the person wants more, more, more. If they can’t get any, problems occur.
    The fact he worked FT & still had time for multiple hook-ups with NK makes me believe he was, at some point, using Oxy. No sleep, weight loss, energy-stamina. It all fits.
    Didn’t the Rzuceks say “he snapped”, on 20-20?
    Many crimes committed, as we know, are directly linked to drugs.
    Where I live, the opiate abuse is staggering.
    My dentist has an enormous sign: DO NOT ASK FOR PAIN Rx, in his office, CNN reported this week that dentists might be setting teens on the road to addiction by prescribing opiates after wisdom teeth are removed.
     
  13. Gecko100

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    Watts is a victim/abuser. You see the same with all abuse, not always though I think it depends on the age it happens etc.
    We tend to parent in the same way we were parented unless we actively change it. Intergenerational abuse occurs this way because the situations become normalised.
    There is the nature/nurture debate too. James Fallon a neuroscientist, was examining the brain structures of men with Anti-Social Personality Disorder (psychopaths) against the structure of his own brain. They were the same, he was a psychopath related to Lizzie Borden. The difference being the nurturing. Interesting eh?
     
  14. book-thinker

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    First I thought my apple was causing issues. I gave up last night , the site kept dropping me .
    The publicity on this case, and a burst of viewers, causing web overload.
    Still have some issues today.
     
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    He obviously liked to project his addictions onto her. She may have used Thrive patches to give her energy. But, caffeine is not illegal.
     
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    I also believe he choked her out as you mentioned. I used to be married to a cop and have seen it done. A person becomes totally unconscious in seconds like a limp noodle. I think he did this to render her unconscious and then completed the act to death by strangulation.

    Also at Cervi, Chris released little oil and photographed it. I have wondered if he staged a malfunction beforehand to have a reason to go there. No cameras there, no key pads and many isolated.
     
  18. LenaFromNola

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    I think that Nutgate had more to do with these killings than previously thought. We know that Mama and Sister Watts never liked Shanann and there was always some tension there. According to her own words in her text messages, Shanann generally bit her tongue and tried to get along and keep the peace. She also told her friends that CW could never quite earn his mother’s approval, his entire life.

    Her friend’s detailed account of Nutgate had three different examples of the family deliberately putting nuts in Cece’s path, clearly to infuriate Shanann. (Bag of pistachios on lower shelf, nuts in ice cream, sister putting a bowl of nuts on the table.) Shanann very understandably lost it, removed the kids for good, thus giving mom and sis a reason to twist their actions and make this all about Shanann and how evil she was. We saw them minimizing Nutgate all over social media including on this very forum. It wasn’t that they literally endangered her child’s life, it was that Shanann was unreasonable and awful, “bipolar,” “controlling,” etc. etc.

    Enter Papa Watts, who wasn’t there but only knows what his wife and daughter have told him about Nutgate and all he knows for sure is his grandchildren are being deliberately withheld from his family. He’s never hated Shanann in the past the way his wife and daughter have, but now he’s furious at her and blocks both of them on social media, refuses to come to Cece’s party. Punishing the whole family for “Shanann’s actions.”

    The latest doc dump shows CW did a lot of texting with his father after Nutgate, texts that he immediately deleted. Shanann tells her friends it was unusual for CW to delete his texts with his father, why would he have reason to do that unless he didn’t want her to see them? Most likely he was participating in the bashing of his wife by his family. This is probably the first time he did that, because now he was in a different frame of mind with the girlfriend. You can only imagine the approval he was finally getting from Mama, and to a lesser extent from sis and dad. For the first time this family is unified in their dislike for Shanann.

    I think that was a very strong reinforcement for CW not just to “get rid of“ his wife via divorce, but really get rid of her. I think whatever coldness and distance he was feeling for his wife due to the affair was magnified times a million by his family.

    CW also knew in the interrogation room that if he made this all Shanann’s fault, his family would accept that 100% and he was correct.
     
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  19. x_files

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    I will boycott it. I do not support it. Blood money.
     
  20. MsBetsy

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    Yes, that was obvious because he couldn't come out with their names right away. But when he mentioned 80/20 and 70/30 It wasn't even in response to a direct question. He didn't think about it at all, he just blurted it out. And his lying about it wouldn't suggest any kind of deception. If anything it would suggest he wanted the baby more than she did, and the purpose of the questioning was to see if he had issues about the pregnancy. So it doesn't make sense.
    I just think there was a specific reason why he said it. It was as if he was looking to them for an answer to his question.
    Maybe in his mind he saw it as a betrayal, as if she tricked him into the pregnancy. Or that having a boy was an extension of himself, and he saw her as rejecting him in some way. It's hard to tell. But I do think it's important because that would have been right around the time or right before the affair started. Even though he told so many lies, there is still much that can be interpreted about some of the things he said. Imo
     
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