GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #66

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  1. Tortoise

    Tortoise Well-Known Member

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    That's why I said they claimed to have, not they had.
     


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    Where did they claim it?
     
  3. Tortoise

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    I have no idea. It was discussed in the threads here though at the time, and a transcript was posted. Some posters said they had seen a letter. It's up to us whether we choose to believe them and if we choose to believe it was genuine or faked by the Watts. I couldn't see any reason for the Watts to fake a letter saying he would never harm himself, because he wasn't harmed. I choose to believe he wrote the alleged letter with a different plan in mind.

    ETA Thinking about it I think it was divulged on the MRS podcasts or channel and we were told by Tricia or liltexans we could discuss the content of those podcasts but not link to it.
     
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  4. Tortoise

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    I wonder if he disposed of those boots, or if he was wearing them when he got to the house. Seems he'd changed his top from the morning he was filmed loading the truck. I don't remember seeing in discovery that they found a spare set of clothes in the truck, but he must have left home with a change of clothes. Perhaps inside his lunch box?
     
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    He probably spent those minutes in the bedroom polishing off his prints from the outside of the ring so that he wouldn't be accused of removing it from her finger. I expect he thought the officer would whip out an evidence bag right there and then and declare it was a murder investigation. :p
     
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    Quite possibly, no it would not have been useful at all. He is such a transparent loser, once you get a handle on him it's at the point of cringe for him and NK. He is so babyish, probably because I am older and trained, he'd be lucky to get a second look from me from the off.
    I can detect a narc at 50 paces, mother brother and sister all narcs, my other brother keeps away like me. It's a no contact deal. Golden children and scapegoats meehh (goat sound)lol.
     
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    Yes it was a MRS podcast, but who knows people have come up with all sorts of bonkers stuff that actually threw the investigators off and wasted time.
    Anyone from QLD? The state of despair, not really we are just more laid back and sleepy. Boing boing hey Skippy look out for the nasty drop bears such vicious creatures, crocodiles are way more playful and friendly. lol
     
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    Seriously weird behaviour. Seemed to have no idea that things were looking bad for him, until the neighbour called him over to view his camera action! Bit nervous then!
     
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    SaguaroSpirit Holding The Line

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    Pretty is as pretty does?
     
  10. Tortoise

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    Good thinking. And his coworkers all noticed him wearing the old boots. :D :D
     
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    No, they do a little makeup and darken the brows, nothing with all those special lights and angles, not for a TV/Newspaper article. Besides, the photographic contrast was way too extreme for the feature she appeared in. She knew she was going to come over as a floozy and was trying to tell the story on her own terms. Serious woman meets man, had no idea his wife had bun in the oven. She could hardly use all the smiley face snapshots.
     
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    That is actually pretty amazing. To be looking for her phone in the house while knowing she wasn't in the house. It must be very hard to know someone and put that aside to consider the worst. He was thinking already where might CW have hidden it. I wonder if the Apple watch was under a different cushion.
     
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    Realized another CW lie. CW told Anadarko he needed Friday 8/10 off because he had to take SW to airport. He met Troy McCoy later that day for the firestick and TM saw girls in backseat of Lexus.

    Didn’t NUA pick up SW for the airport at 430?
     
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  14. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Remember in Discovery we saw that the dogs had interest in the area underneath the stairs. That's exactly where those pair of baggy pants he supposedly was giving to charity in the video.

    moo
     
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    Some of these questions could be better answered at the J4 Justice youtube site. They are part of the group that promoted the letter back when they were mrs. Ask in the comment section, you'll be flooded with help. The letter, if it ever existed, wasn't published on WS to my knowledge.
     
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    The cadaver dog handler talks about the fans making it hard for the dog to get a scent. I think this is part of the reason the dog didn't alert. We know they all died in that house yet the dog didn't really alert. IMO we can't put much into the dog at all because of this.

    I worked for the Illinois State Police training center years ago. I watched them train the dogs everyday because I am a huge dog lover. None of their cadaver dogs were handled like this handler did. Which doesn't make her wrong; but it surprised me as it is so opposite of what ISP did. We don't know either how long this dog had been working, how experienced the dog is etc.
     
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    I was surprised at her handling of the dog too, I think that was the trauma-detection dog. I don't know why they didn't switch off the fans before they started.
     
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    I believe I've read that the dog was interested in the area under the stairs in the basement. But I do think that pair of jeans there was somehow connected with the murder, it's not as if he would only have one item of clothing from his entire wardrobe that he no longer fit.
     
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    See I kept wondering that too! Why not just turn all the fans off?

    She holds the dog very tightly and almost leads him. At ISP they always said you had to give the dog room to work and to never lead the dog. Let the dog lead you. With this kind of work they usually worked off leash. Like I said it may just be a different way of working a dog. It is just very contrary to what I learned.
     
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    I’m sorry for the question, but this case leaves me up at night. Can we assume from the lack of defensive wounds that she slept through her murder? Is it possible to sleep through strangulation? I have this hope for her - that she wasn’t aware of this gruesome final betrayal.
     
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