GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #68

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  1. gitana1

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    They sued him for wrongful death. But he apparently confessed all and is refusing to defend himself in the suit. So I think next steps is related to that. Do they go on or did they get what they needed? Because he would have to answer questions in a post-criminal conviction civil suit. He can't incriminate himself further as double jeopardy applies and he's already been found guilty of the highest crimes.
     
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    You're too smart. Exactly.
     
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    Very good points. I can relate.
     
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    I'm so glad that disgusting account has been terminated. People like that need to suffer to some degree for the pain they cause. Talk about sociopaths.
     
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    Bravo. I agree with ALL you've stated. Perfect.
     
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    I was one who stated I did not believe he would plead guilty and would instead go through with a horrific trial, continuing to drag Shanann's name through the mud.

    But that was after he accused her of killing her daughters. Before that, when he gave those interviews on his porch, I predicted that he would confess quickly.

    He did confess. But only partially.

    I also said there was no way the DA would accept a plea deal for less than guilty to the full charges. I was asked directly.

    But yes, after his disgusting story about Shanann I thought there would be no way he would be able to admit to what he had done. Little did I know HE was actually not the one who came up with that story. The brilliant investigators did as a means of getting him to cough up the location of the bodies. Had I known they planted that idea in his head, maybe my thoughts about the possibility of him pleading guilty would've been different. I'm not sure.

    But if you watch his interrogation tapes coupled with his initial contact with LE, he actually cracked pretty quickly. He was super eager to please them and sort of seems to display a narcissistic insecurity and desperation to be seen as the good guy.

    The only time in his hours of interrogation that he showed true emotion was when they asked about his co-workers helping to find the bodies. He absolutely fell apart. "They're going to think I'm a bad guy!" He wailed hysterically.

    It was amazing. Not moved one bit by his children. THAT is what got him.

    And he was played so well by those investigators. It was embarrassing, really, how easy it was for them to break him. He was like a toddler you trick into telling the truth.

    They built a rapport with him. We didn't have the benefit of knowing that either, after the news of his accusations against Shanann broke. He seemed to bond with the investigators and want to please them so badly. They were so good that people are still commenting on how gross it was and reprehensible that they rubbed his back and gave him sympathy, despite the fact that it was pure, brilliant technique.

    I suspect now that he indeed has had a sort of come to Jesus moment. At least as much as someone like him can. Can we trust him? I've always felt anything he would say would be narcissistically self-serving and dishonest. But maybe with 23 hours per day in a cell and the realization that all he did led to absolutely nothing but disaster, maybe he is feeling the intense need to be a good boy once again and get his interrogators to give him that parental reassurance that he's a good person and doing the right thing.

    I have a feeling he has desperately tried to be a good boy all his life. Tried hard to do whatever he could to please his mother so she would love him.

    I don't know.

    Here's what I do know: NK is NOT in witness protection. She would not be eligible. That's not my opinion. That's just not how that works.

    It is my opinion though that they were done investigating and this has nothing to do with any real investigation into NK.

    This case was incredible. Both what he did and why. And a chance to get further info in order to profile a maniac like him? Oh I think they'd jump at that.
     
  7. gitana1

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    I watched their victim impact statement again. At the time I felt they were subtly skirting his Avril guilt for the murder of the girls. Watch it again. It's truly gross. Their focus is on being perceived as victims and on giving a tribute to their precious son, talking about how much they love him and how good he was in sports, etc.

    It's really vile. They barely mention their grandchildren.

    And sure enough, they never accepted his full guilt and now are once again blaming an innocent victim.

    I find them to be reprehensible people and it's not surprising that THAT can from them.
     
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    Even if he confesses in full detail and admits everything, R and C still won’t believe their precious son killed his family. For a while I just thought they were in serious denial because of how evil this crime is but now it appears that isn’t the case. They just don’t give a #*** that 4 lives were ended by the monster they raised. Their response to his admissions will be ‘he’s protecting someone’. Who even says ‘it’s over and done with’ when talking about the murder of their grandchildren and pregnant daughter in law?! Ewww no sorry I’m done with hearing about them, roll on the 7th so we can hear his confession then send him back to his hell hole and send his parents back to whichever rock they keep crawling out of. How horrible for Shanann’s family
     
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    I agree @Blondiexoxo. I don’t think they will ever let their minds believe he could and did kill the children too.
     
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    Interesting! In her book "The Sociopath Next Door", Dr. Martha Stout discusses the pity play and sociopaths.

    An article in "Psychology Today" will be published sometime next week. It's a two part series on Sociopaths. There's a warning that the section on the pity play in Part 2 is disturbing. I am anxious to read it.
     
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    I am not sure about the evidential requirements in a civil suit, but wouldn't the defendant's guilty pleas in the criminal case be overwhelming evidence for the plaintiffs?

    What other stuff would they need?

    Genuinely interested - I don't know what the cause of action requires
     
  13. violet101

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    Looks like we’ll get some info tomorrow on Dr. Phil

    Dillon Thomas (@DillonMThomas) on Twitter

    —NEW #WATTS MURDER INFO— From prison, family murderer Chris Watts discussed the night he killed his pregnant wife, and daughters....even sharing his final words to his daughters. Hear more from family during an exclusive interview, to run during
    @DrPhil
    tomorrow on
    @CBSDenver
     
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    WHAT??????
     
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    —WATTS FINAL WORDS— More: According to our partners
    @DrPhil
    , Chris Watts’ eldest daughter, Bella, pleaded with her dad...moments before he killed her. The two-part interview with Shanann’s parents will start tomorrow, on
    @CBSDenver
    4pm.
     
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    I have goosebumps from head to toe. I hate him
     
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    Omg this interview is going to be horrific
     
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    Deleted because I was wrong...the Rzuceks are the ones being interviewed.
     
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  19. violet101

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    No it says he will have Shanann’s parents on Dr. Phil.
     
  20. NuttMegg

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    Oh, sorry I didn't see that. Still, what would they say ahead of time?
     
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