GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #69

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  1. NuttMegg

    NuttMegg Well-Known Member

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    My point is that he put himself into a rage. Anyway, who cares what exact words preceded his losing control of himself, why would you believe him anyway? Maybe he said ."Guess what, I'm going on a schedule of working every other week and my mistress and I are taking the kids 8 days at a time. Or maybe he said, man, you are lousy in bed but she's great! Would that have given Shan'ann licence to murder him, because what he said put her into a rage? If a person goes into a murderous rage it is their own fault.
     
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  2. Best of What's Around

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    Agreed. It was always possible, however difficult, for them to have supported their son yet remain respectful to SW's family and friends. They willfully chose to go the sewer route. I for one can never forget Cindy saying in response to what happened to Chris - "Shanann happened." And she didn't apologize soon afterward, either. They must be going through unbelievable pain, but they have not conducted themselves in a manner I can empathize with - right up to the other night by encouraging friends to go out and disclose details of the confession for the sole purpose of taking that away from SW's family the next day. MOO
     
  3. Psychofcrime

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    Because that wasn't his "plan". I truly believe the whole act was premeditated.
     
  4. Best of What's Around

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    AGREED. Tomorrow I refuse to get bogged down with what he SAYS caused him to murder SW. Or the girls. Unless he says it was to be free to move on to NK. I won't believe anything else for a second. MOO
     
  5. Artis

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    My impression is that Ronnie is the only person CW actually "cared" for - whatever that means. His dad was his model and, I think, he felt shame at disappointing his father. Growing up with Cindy, would be a sewer of toxic shame and I suspect R might have been a source of comfort and comradery (fellow victim of Cindy). Not enough of a comrade to stand up to Cindy and go Shanann's and CW's wedding, though.
     
  6. nwmouse

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    I don't think we'll ever learn if anything Shanann said put him into a rage, because CW is a rotten liar. No justification for killing her. He would have done it anyway even if she had calmly accepted his infidelity and asked for another chance. CW's mind was made up to kill SW before she got home.
    He wanted any excuse to kill her so he could be with his new squeeze, NK.

    Likely Shanann was devastated by his affair with another woman and expressed her grief and hurt, she was a passionate, highly evolved woman who was pregnant with this philandering lout's son. I know I would scream and shout if this happened to me. But I don't think her outburst was rage, it was deep hurt and pain, imho.

    CW is pure evil and he murdered his wife and unborn son because he felt they were obstacles and liabilities standing in his way of a new life with NK and his AudiQ7.

    He then decided he'd murder his two innocent, helpless little girls too.

    He's evil. No matter how angry a person's words are, its no excuse for murder. And imo, ANYTHING Shanann said to him in the heat of the moment was totally justified. Infidelity hurts. He even used her Lexus and credit card to conduct his nasty little affair.

    moo
     
  7. Best of What's Around

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    True, but if he truly cared for him he wouldn't have lied and lied and lied to him. He cared what his father thinks of him, which to me is different than actually caring for someone in the traditional sense. He gaslights Ronnie as much as anyone IMO.
     
  8. violet101

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    I can see the girls being quiet if he said to. But they definitely understood something was wrong and Bella especially. My 4 year old younger than Bella would definitely understand it was something more than just me being sick.

    If Bella really saw what he did to Cece, I definitely believe she knew what he was doing and begged for her life. 4 year olds understand a lot more than we think.
     
  9. Best of What's Around

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    I agree with what you said except that I don't think he "then" decided to murder his children. I think they were always a package deal, and I don't personally believe he was ever hating any of them - he just started to agree with his family because he would want them back in his life again and he knew they were about to "disappear." I think he liked his life with SW and the girls just fine until he didn't. Until they were inconvenient. Then, they had to go. MOO
     
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    Hopefully we'll learn more tomorrow.
     
  12. kay74

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    What upsets me too is Ma Watts bashing Shannon and influencing Chris against her. She said Shannon was shady and finally Chris agreed. Who does this to the mother of her grandchildren. Maybe she started him looking for someone else, someone "better" <sarcasm>.
     
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    Aren't these traits of Borderline Personality Disorder? Anyone know if he would be a fit for that?
     
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    From the way his confession has been summarized so far, I don't believe he comes clean on wanting them all gone before that night. I believe he will keep making excuses for himself while revealing more of what transpired that night in terms of actions. I hope I'm wrong. I was surprised he even has come this far closer to the truth.
     
  15. NuttMegg

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    He had the mistress in the house at least 2 times, but I suspect more than that. He even took her upstairs to the private rooms. She told the detectives it would have been great that he could have the kids every other week. No, of course SW should have taken everything serenely so as not to upset him.
     
  16. Best of What's Around

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    I am not a psychiatrist nor have I studied psychiatry - but from what I have read about Borderlines, they are the most likely to commit suicide - not murder others. While they can be selfish, I believe they can feel empathy and they try desperately to hold on to relationships - not leave them. I have read that you are right they don't have a fully formed sense of identity like that, however. I could be wrong but I haven't heard anyone reference that any family annihilator could be a Borderline in the articles I have read about them. MOO
     
  17. Tigerlily75

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    I don’t know how much she would have understood in regards to death. But, I believe, we all have instincts no matter how young we are, and she would have known “something” was terribly wrong. Her instincts would have told her something isn’t right here, and while she wouldn’t have been able to articulate what exactly was wrong, she no doubt would have felt some confusion and terror.

    My heart breaks for her! Those poor babies.
     
  18. Pasasana

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    The only one I'm aware of is Jodi Arias.
     
  19. SaguaroSpirit

    SaguaroSpirit Livin', lovin', I'm just a woman.

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    Bella was almost 5 at the time.
     
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  20. violet101

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    Yep exactly, so that’s why I believe she understood what CW did and was doing to her.
     
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