GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #70

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  1. kakadu

    kakadu Well-Known Member

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    I really doubt he wanted to commit suicide. IMO he took the gas can because he initially had no plan how to get rid of his family. Maybe burning was an option. He had just killed his entire family, why should he worry about hurting other people. On the contrary, maybe he was afraid that the flames might alert other people and dismissed the idea. JMO
     
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  2. Sassafrass

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    Plenty of our most famous serial killers had marginal-to-average IQs.

    If CW had an IQ of 135 or 140, he was a HUGE underachiever. And his mode of expression in his interviews doesn't suggest any level of superior or genius intellect.
     
  3. ScHoLaR oF STuFF

    ScHoLaR oF STuFF New Member

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    just reading your post sent chills up my spine, because those are my sentiments also.

    and to hear chris watt's lament he hasn't been in touch with NK and chuckle aloud that perhaps she may use an alias to post mail to him is both sickening an alarming.....because legally NK can.

    i joked early on once it's too bad chris watts and jodi arias hadn't found love in each others arms, then two other good people would still be walking the earth alive. of course this was before all the talk of NK's suspicious amber frey internet searches...

    i hope my watts/arias joke doesnt become prophetic, and watts mistress deep down as vile as arias is amongst us.

    ...makes me think of chilling comment made by nancy grace one, that's NEVER left me..
    "somewhere out there tonight, the devil is dancing"
     
  4. Sassafrass

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    I could not agree more with your comment about learning red flags and trusting your gut on them. And on the "self" side, know you have boundaries, know what they are, know you deserve them, know that narcissists' and sociopaths' very existence is predicated on transgressing other people's boundarues, and do NOT make excuses when those red flags appear. And don't feel guilty for having missed them in the first place, but be ruthless once you do.
     
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  5. Personality disorders - Symptoms and causes Look here for the Personality Disorders

    *Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental condition in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others. People with antisocial personality disorder tend to antagonize, manipulate or treat others harshly or with callous indifference. They show no guilt or remorse for their behavior.

    What do we all expect CW to do stay in the corner day in and day out in tears shivering and cowering? Some of us would like to think that a person would do that however that is NOT how true life goes. His life is in JAIL. Unfortunately some of us would want him to suffer more.

    HE has stated what he did, he did show remorse and HIGH GUILT. Think about it....a man in prison confesses to treating the children like this and then killing one in front of another who did fight back? Do you know what the other prisoner's are going to do to him? And yet he confesses it. Point blank.

    NOTHING this man does is going to be good enough for you all unless he hangs himself (which I do not advocate).

    These personality disorders often overlap in their symptoms as well.

    BPD- Borderline Personality Disorder is falling into the categories these two professionals have stated.
    In my opinion only, an expert cannot base their opinion on one video of an interview of CW. So I'm not even going to take that video into consideration.

    What do these people who are telling the general public this have to gain? Notoriety. Maybe money for their expert opinion. Have any of these "experts" sat down with CW for sessions for a few months to a year on end to determine that their diagnosis is indeed the correct diagnosis? I would be willing to bet the answer is, "NO".

    Asburgers and Autism is a different story as they have no interrelated pattern of connecting behaviors or symptoms that largely mimic personalities' that can be hard to weed through to get to the correct diangosis.

    BPD is a very real scenario here.
     
  6. k-mac

    k-mac Well-Known Member

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    ive always had this lingering idea that chris was planning to put shannan in one tank and the girls in the other.

    that's why he took the gasoline.....
    then he was gunna blow up the site like he had some sort of epic accident working there.
    (don't know how he would have explained him being far enough from it as it exploded to not harm him...but hey dealing with someone killing their family and doing this in the first place....:confused:)

    shanann being pregnant, I believe had had a big bubby growth spurt that last few weeks and she was much bigger than chris fantastically remembered.
    she wouldn't fit in the hole.
    he had to improvise and shallow bury her. (I think he was always going back to put her in the tank and then follow through with explosion imo)

    the big plan (explosion) ...was stuck in a holding pattern for a few weeks.

    except for NUA bless her beautiful loving impatience to find her friend xx

    **all speculative of course ….but that's where I am at.

    moo
     
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  7. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    I’m not so sure. Even if SW wasn’t pregnant, hell, if she was anorexic, there was no way he would have expected her to fit in an 8 inch hole.

    He was intimately familiar with these tanks, and although he must have been confident that he could fit his daughters in there, I don’t think he ever had that expectation with his wife.

    I think he had thought about this for a while. Atleast, on some level.
     
  8. ZsaZsa

    ZsaZsa Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Photos would have been good IMO. Conversation about the Firemen who actually retrieved his little girls, and the effect that had on them would have been appropriate.
     
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    I just want to take the opportunity to give NUA another shout out. I can’t imagine how hard the past few months, and this week, have been for her. I hope she knows that a lot of us are sending her hugs and recognizing what an outstanding friend she is.
     
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    Regarding his plans, such as they were, I think this quote in an article I linked to earlier is helpful:

    I had read this before, but it didn't stick in my mind too well. Having deficient brain circuitry for punishment would explain why he thought he could get away with it, and why things look premeditated but really sloppy and dumb. Might also explain why he didn't think he would get life in prison . . . for four murders.
     
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  11. Iam Nana!

    Iam Nana! Well-Known Member

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    I cannot get little Bella and CeCe out of my mind. I can’t imagine the fear they experienced. I have always wondered how mean he was to them while SW was on that last trip. The trip to NC showed how much feeling he had lost for his little family. I also believe little Bella was not quiet as the monster smothered her little sister. No one not even a child could ignore the violence going on. Those babies those poor innocent babies what they went through makes me cry every time I think about them. We have so many little angels that we must never forget.
     
  12. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    Since he is so concerned about his image and how others see him, the one time he showed some emotion in his interview was when he thought his co-workers might see him as a "bad guy", I think they should have interviewed all those folks who were part of the retrieval and then played those interviews for him. Repeatedly. Let him hear his co-workers, the firemen, etc. talking about how awful the retrievals were, about the shape of his daughter's bodies, etc. While I don't think describing their bodies would have affected CW at all, IMO he would have been affected by those people thinking badly of him.
     
  13. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    I don't think he was "mean" to them, per se, I think he was probably just very cold. I think he may have gone through the actions of caring for them, but there were no emotions behind those actions. He was probably too concerned with NK. By the time he'd decided that he no longer needed or wanted his family, I think his emotions towards them were just gone. And I think the girls probably felt this.
     
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    Yes! You articulated what I've been thinking about.
     
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    3:21 CW never did clear up whether or not it was a skunk. @Seattle1

    Bella: Daddy it smells
    Coder: So that goes back to maybe Shan'ann evacuating herself ?

    CW: I don't know if it was that, you know that smells like a skunk maybe, sometimes? I got some kind of smell that way but I don't know what it was from.
    Coder: Was it inside or outside ?
    CW: I don't know.
     
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    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    By BPD, I meant Bipolar Disorder as I thought someone had mentioned. Sorry I was not clear. CW and others have been armchair diagnosed here with so many conditions, it's hard to keep track.

    In regard to the BBM, let me be crystal clear; I have NEVER wished anyone would commit suicide. You could not be more wrong.

    MOO
     
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  18. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    NUA and the local law enforcement. At the time NUA called them, SW had only missed an appointment. NUA had just seen her a few hours earlier. LE did not have to respond to her concern as quickly as they did. The fact that they jumped onto the story and reacted so quickly is a testament to them and to NUA who knew what to say to get them concerned and didn't back down when CW tried to get her to. When my 8-month pregnant diabetic sister disappeared with my toddler nephew, they made us wait 24 hours before they'd let us file a report-and this was even WITH my sister having an active restraining order on her husband. LE in SW's situation reacted in a way that isn't always common and, because of this, everything moved very quickly. Good for them.
     
  19. My opinion: NK wasn't even a lingering thought at this point. What did he just do? How am I going to deal with all this? Panicking … is where I believe his mind was at. Also, disassociation that any of it was real. NK....not at all.
     
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    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    I disagree. I think she was always on his mind. After he buried his pregnant wife and dumped his children in an oil tank, he paused to take pictures of wildflowers for NK and to Google the song lyrics of a song she wanted. He also continued to text her and speak to her while there was supposedly a search going on for his "missing" family. I think he was obsessed with NK and she was always there at the edge of his mind.
     
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