GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #71

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  1. AgeofAquaruis

    AgeofAquaruis Well-Known Member

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    I think that's exactly how he did it. Trapped her under the blankets,so she had no way of fighting.
    Like Hell He found God and is telling the truth.
     
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  2. boomburger

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    I too believe she was strangled whilst she was still asleep. From what I've read about Chris, he would do anything and everything to avoid confrontations, so I doubt that he woke his wife up to talk about separation, as that sounds like the beginning of a huge confrontation to me!
     
  3. Yellow Rose

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    I think the majority of us are in agreement that he strangled her while she was sleeping. Pinned her down to decrease the chances of her making an exit somehow.
     
  4. nanwv

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    Without hardcore proof, I will never believe CW said anything about the plans he had for his new life, much less in the middle of the night.

    Cowards are Cowards. Liars are Liars.

    Whatever is easiest for the coward. CW never had any conversation with SW. He did a cowardly sneak attack and killed her.

    I continue to have a hard time believing the kids were alive at the oil field.
     
  5. Synergizer Bunny

    Synergizer Bunny Well-Known Member

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    Chris could have gone to their online account and changed it so the notifications didn't go to her phone or computer. It's easy to do with our system.

    He could have feigned ignorance and said that he didn't do anything to the account.
     
  6. Only4Justice

    Only4Justice Well-Known Member

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    Most excellent post! Thank you.
     
  7. opalonyx

    opalonyx Well-Known Member

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    I have my own personal feelings about NK but in all honestly the lingering feelings about her go beyond that. She seemed much more adept at lying than CW. Both in interviews and the way she knew how to hide things.

    The Rzuceks alluded to feeling like she was a great factor in this while they were on Dr. Phil. NUA said in an interview with a YouTuber that she wonders if NK was involved somehow and was granted a plea deal in exchange for information. So I feel like its more than just being disliked for being a mistress.

    Sure, police cleared her but they don't catch everything, even if they are brilliant. They didn't catch the shadows in the surveillance; a YouTuber did. Soon after the YouTuber posted his theory, investigators went to Wisconsin to question CW.

    It's wrong to say with certainty that NK was involved with the crime. But I don't think its wrong to analyze the info and still wonder about her.

    Eta: of course now I can't find the NUA phone interview on Youtube anymore so if that was a hoax then my apologies.
     
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  8. molly1255

    molly1255 Well-Known Member

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    My guess is he didn't have the passwords. He didn't even have the password to their bank account. He let Shanann handle everything and he was perfectly ok with that. It sure made his life a lot easier not to have to deal with any real details of adult life, JMO.
     
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  9. eve9059

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    Ok-I’m not attacking you personally. It’s the thousands upon thousands of people that believe several of the things you said that are patently false.
    1. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think secret plea deals are legal nor would they apply here because there was no trial.
    She gave them no information to help them, they specifically said she hindered them.
    2.Family annihilators tend to have a profile. Chris doesn’t fit it perfectly but he fits a lot and what that doesn’t include is a team of killers killing people let alone children. Why would she google “can cops trace text messages” on August 14th if she was involved? To me that’s obvious fear of being found out for being immoral but not a killer and it explains most of her behavior.
    3. They weren’t going to WI because of the “shadows.” Do you think a YouTuber “caught” what the FBI didn’t, preparing for what they thought would be one of the most high profile cases in recent years? Do you think they don’t have the best possible equipment and resources and didn’t watch that video enhanced repeatedly?
    4. They were obviously going there primarily to profile him. That’s why they talked about his thoughts and feelings and family dynamics. They saw the bodies and I believe Tammy when she said “that’s what we struggle with, seeing the videos of you with your kids and then...” they aren’t manipulating him solely by saying you’re “unique”-they mean that because he actually is. He has many traits of a psychopath and many of an annihilator and many that are characteristic of neither. Secondarily they may want to get more about NK.
    5. They don’t believe in the “shadows.” Notice that, repeatedly, they say “now is there any reason you wouldn’t want to tell us that they were already dead?” “Are you sure that’s what happened?” They do not believe him and as they said about the video, “it’s hard to see.” Because it is. Shadows guy also claimed NK was in the truck. C’mon. The DA doesnt believe it either. I’ve seen many people being encouraged to contact Weld County about shadows. Rourke wants no more shadow emails from people who think they know more than the FBI. The Rzuceks also seem comforted somehow that Chris has found God and is telling the truth. Maybe he’s letting him have that instead of saying “no they were already dead we know he’d planned it for days.” Bella’s injuries could not have happened that way. It was “sharp downward force”.

    Not yelling at you specifically I’m just trying to say LE may have their reasons for publicly saying “yep shadows, credible!” other than them believing it. CW is claiming second degree-he plead to first degree murder for all 3 “for a reason”.
     
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  10. kittycat3

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    But that’s just it TeaTime! Nobody can say this guy had any history of violence, no reports of angry outbursts at work or elsewhere, no evidence of drug or alcohol abuse or other reckless behavior - The only questionable behavior reported started with his affair and the trouble in his marriage. And obviously the family issues reported with parents boycott of wedding and nutgate.

    Friends and coworkers all were shocked.

    This is why this case is so alarming and scary!!!
     
  11. Seenit

    Seenit Well-Known Member

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    Exactly! I suspect many.
     
  12. NuttMegg

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    That isn't what he told the court, and not what he was sentenced for. He claimed he was guilty of first degree murder, separately for each one, one by one, no reason given.

    IIRC He told his folks that he plead guilty "for a reason". He also pretty much told them to buzz off before the plea deal, not allowing calls with them that whole period from his arrest to his plea deal. CW admitted that his defense team asked him "about 100 times" if he wanted to accept the plea deal.

    He also shocked his family to the core with the confession, once again making fools of them as they vehemently and publicly blamed Shan'ann for murdering her own babies. He admitted to the world that he brutally killed them all, murdered children right at the oil tanks, then threw them into the crude oil before they would have had time to even cool off (IMO). After an hour of driving time when he could have let them live.

    In what way is "CW claiming 2nd degree murder"? When did he claim that?
     
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  13. molly1255

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    It is alarming and it's very scary that someone who appears to be normal would do what CW did. It's also scary that we've had some similar cases with men who were married, appeared to be doing well, were employed, had no criminal history, and no history of documented domestic violence.

    Off the top of my head we have Scott Peterson, Chris Coleman and Charles Stuart. JMO, there is some definite weirdness in the family of origins there. I believe they all devalued their wives without their wives seeming to realize how badly they had been devalued by their husbands, if they realized it at all.

    There is a mistress in there. I'm not sure if it was ever proven Stuart actually had a mistress, but he was, at a minimum, trying to make it happen with a young co-worker and he bought her jewelry after the murder.

    Looks to me like these guys secured a new source of supply that they idealized before they discarded by murder.

    It's freaking scary. JMO
     
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  14. ElleJaycee

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    Scott Peterson also had an overbearing, dominant mother. He too was treated as the golden boy who could do no wrong. I think that's where the similarities end.

    The differences between Scott and CW are this:

    Scott had warning signs that Laci was aware of. He had cheated on her in the past with her knowledge. Apparently she forgave him for that.
    He even went so far as to invite one of his mistresses to his college graduation knowing that Laci would also be in attendance.

    He had explicitly stated that he did not want kids and that he was "hoping for infertility". CW persuaded SW to have a third baby.
    Scott was already telling Amber that Laci was dead and that he was widowed.
    He told Laci that he did not want to feel Laci's stomach whenever Baby Connor was kicking.
    Besides the affair and the overbearing mother/son worship, CW and SP are two different animals but evil nonetheless. I feel like SP is less socially awkward than Chris. By all accounts Scott was popular with his peers in school contrasted with Chris who kept to himself. Chris is definitely the more covert of the two.
     
  15. molly1255

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    Outside of some similar demographics, what appears to be some similarities in their motives, presence of financial or other stressors, presence of a secret life/mistress, and what appears to be some funky foo issues, no two are really the same.

    They all appear to come out of the blue, with no one ever suspecting they were capable of doing what they did. The question I find myself asking is are these guys psychopaths, or is there something different going on with them that differentiates them from other psychopathic murderers, other than we know that they murdered their families?
     
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    Scott Peterson had a totally disturbed mother. She kept giving her kids away. The doc told her to keep Scott.
     
  17. MollyDDD

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    I agree, I think he killed the girls before Shanann even got home.
     
  18. MollyDDD

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    I agree, lock him up and throw away the key. Do not give him an ounce of attention. Murderous loser.
     
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    I totally respectfully disagree. I was married to a psychopath (didn't know it at the time), but he always spent every cent we had..or did not have...I tried to limit him by being in complete control of our accounts. The more he messed it up, the more I had to Hoover over him, and the more he became angry about it. Just another reason to "hate" me. Meanwhile he never cared that he was taking money away from our mortgage budget or groceries. He just tried to hide it better and always resented me for acting "like his mom".
     
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    I never knew that about SP. I didn't follow that case as in depth. But it is a case that has profoundly changed my outlook on life.
     
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