GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #73

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  1. oviedo

    oviedo Well-Known Member

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    Reminds me so much of Kelseys last words “please stop” to her killer Frazee - Watts needs to stay where he is
    JMO
     
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  2. BeckyF

    BeckyF Well-Known Member

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    How many young single women such as NK are just dying to have a future with a man who is cheating on his wife, will be paying child support for 3 children for many years and who has serious financial problems? All for some good times behind bedroom doors. Desperation comes to mind.
     
  3. NuttMegg

    NuttMegg Well-Known Member

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    IIRC she encouraged him to set up a bank account just for himself, to siphon off part of his pay. Trying to hurt the wife and kids so she could get him into an apartment.
     
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  4. BeckyF

    BeckyF Well-Known Member

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    Deleted. Duplicate.
     
  5. BeckyF

    BeckyF Well-Known Member

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    Yes I remember that as well.
     
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  6. hpruitt

    hpruitt Well-Known Member

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    Would LE maybe take another look at NK if CW wins his appeal attempt?
     
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  7. Colorado303

    Colorado303 Verified Insider Watts Case

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    The only way I can see that happening is if CW’s defense argues NK committed one or more of the murders herself.
     
  8. hpruitt

    hpruitt Well-Known Member

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    From what I understand & correct me if I'm wrong, but he wants an appeal because he feels like he was railroaded into a confession. I think his "Dearest Mommy" is pushing for it saying that the state didn't have the evidence to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt without his confession if he had gone to trial? So, if he wins an appeal, his defense team would almost have to introduce alternative scenarios, ie NK did it or helped, right? None of his justifications make any sense and contrary to his beliefs, he's never getting out of prison!
     
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  9. Peppery

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    I’ve seen it said over and over that LE will not pursue investigating NK. But why not exactly? If she was involved, she should be held accountable. If she wasn’t, her name should be cleared. Same for anyone else who may have been involved. Why does she get to avoid being investigated?
     
  10. insearchoflight

    insearchoflight Well-Known Member

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    I think evidence shows it’s clear that CW acted alone in murdering his wife and children. He was alone at the house with them and he alone killed them. Why pursue NK if there is no evidence to suggest she was involved? It one thing to have an affair with a married man. It’s quite another to be involved in the planning or action of murdering 4 people. I think they dropped it because there simply is no evidence to support her involvement. Moo
     
  11. Peppery

    Peppery Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking that unless they investigated her, how would they know if there was evidence linking her? My guess is a lot of people were investigated to some degree before being ruled out. His coworkers who were at the site that morning, the friends he stayed with the first night Shanann was missing, possibly anyone whose fingerprints may have been in his work truck, etc. add to that that NK actually had a reason to not want Shanann around and that’s plenty of reason to look at her very closely. Moo
     
  12. hpruitt

    hpruitt Well-Known Member

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    I tend to agree with you BUT I think there was no "obvious" evidence that she was involved. CW confessed and denied her involvement. I think LE had the evidence to backup his confession therefore there was no need to dig any deeper. Once he plead guilty, it was basically an open and shut case. I don't think they could build a case against NK now even if CW came back and accused her unless he had some undeniable evidence that has been hidden all this time. FWIW, I think NK played some part in what happened more than just being his muse or whatever. I just haven't decided what I think she did.
     
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  13. NuttMegg

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    We really don't know to what extent they did investigate her. If she had alibis for the corresponding time period, and if the murderer said she wasn't involved, what should LE have done? Insist that yes she was somehow involved, without evidence, and possibly push the true murderer into, what? Separate trials, with him insisting that she didn't do it, and LE insisting she had some part? What a big waste of time and money.

    I said all along that I think when they got back from nc, NK could see he was waffling, so she gave him an ultimatum. Leave your family or I'm outta here.

    She, per her own discussions with her friend, admitted to various failed relationships. She was used to all the head games played in relationships at that age when most other people are well into families/kids. I think she pressured him intensely that Saturday, and during the 111 minute conversation.

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. LE undoubtedly felt pretty satisfied with the plea. He was sentence to something like 150 years, off the streets for the rest of his life.
     
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  14. MsBetsy

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    Later the employer discovered emails between Chris and NK and called detectives to let them know. I think CW was also using the company phone to communicate with her.

    And yes, NK did notice all the pictures of Shannan and the girls and I think she felt intimidated by them. She told detectives she felt like Chris had the perfect home and the perfect family and didn't understand why he would want to leave all that.
     
  15. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    She was already investigated and the DA said he was confident that CW alone was responsible for the crime. He said he believed there were several motives, but mainly Chris wanted to start fresh with a new, exciting woman and in his mind the only way he could do that was by eliminating his family.
     
  16. Colorado303

    Colorado303 Verified Insider Watts Case

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    It was so clear from day one CW had done something to SW. IMO LE didn’t investigate as thoroughly as they might have. For starters they let CW spend the night alone in the house the day SW and the girls went missing. Plus I don’t think they ever fingerprinted inside the house to see if anyone else might have been present. They also didn’t investigate NK (or anyone else for that matter) the way they would have if they had no proof CW killed them.

    And it happened so fast. Monday afternoon SW is reported missing. Word didn’t even get out publicly until Tuesday. Wednesday night CW was at the police station and confessed. SW and the girls were recovered by the weekend.

    LE isn’t interested in reopening the NK worm can. Not at all. The Watts case was clinically traumatic for many of the investigators. The lead detective has been quite candid about the impact the case has had on him. Not only did he leave law enforcement permanently but his PTSD is so bad his hair fell out in patches. He’s still barely able to leave his house because he breaks down at the sight of little girls. I’m sure he’s not the only one suffering. I imagine the mere thought of asking the original investigators ( and every officer in the dept was part it) to dive back into that nightmare would be extremely hard

    Plus, consensus is LE did a great job in the case. CW was in jail within 72 hours of the crime and on his way to prison for life 3 months later. It was a big win for LE in that small town. Reopening the investigation might tarnish the win.

    Those are two possible reasons that might explain why LE is adamant they won’t investigate NK.

    And there may be one more. I have no hard evidence to support this but have a hunch part of CW’s plea deal was an agreement that LE would immediately and permanently cease any investigation involving NK. It would explain quite a bit IMO.
     
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    Nikynoo Verified Attorney - United Kingdom

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    Possibly. My understanding was that because CW took a plea deal, the investigation was not completed (according to the CBI during the prison interview, they had only just started the investigation (in investigative terms that is)). Therefore, it is possible that as the investigation progressed, more information could have come to light that would make LE take 'another look' at NK. If memory serves me right, LE categorically said that NK was not involved.
     
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  19. Nikynoo

    Nikynoo Verified Attorney - United Kingdom

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    RSBM - you may have a point there. BUT, I do not think that if LE had even the tiniest inkling of NK being involved, they would have gone after her too.

    There definitely needed to be more than the DP being taken away.

    I always thought it was the sealed medical records, but who knows, you could be right!
     
  20. Nikynoo

    Nikynoo Verified Attorney - United Kingdom

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    But it didn't stop her pursuing him. I take what NK said in her interviews with a pinch of salt.
     
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