CO CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee Co, 10 May 2020 #80 *arrest*

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  1. dkryder

    dkryder Well-Known Member

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    no one here knew it was a material fact that SM was in an "affair" with JL prior to the PH, none of us know what other material facts may have yet to be released. people that say there is no evidence in reality have no idea if such evidence exists, or not, yet. MOO.
     
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  2. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    I think BM already gets a big break: BM has the benefit that character evidence of the defendant is not admissible under the rules of evidence until the penalty phase of the trial so the jury really won't get to hear about the real BM until he's convicted. MOO
     
  3. marylamby

    marylamby Well-Known Member

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    Sedated for what reason, tho?
     
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    DizzyB Well-Known Member

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    And let’s just say she took 70k from the garage safe. Why would she Gone Girl to start a new life, with only 70K? If they showed that she started those secret bank accounts, made deposits, and then withdrew it all the first week of May, then okay. But no. If you plan to never turn your phone on again, why take the charger? What would be the point of taking off, with a fraction of the money that you would easily get, leaving your fling behind without a word, your children who are your biggest blessing, your medical records, especially as a cancer patient. If there was no bike and helmet, maybe I could get on board with a potential suicide scenario. We still know that Barry murdered Suzanne, and Gone Girl/Suicide/Random Abduction make zero sense.
     
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  5. marylamby

    marylamby Well-Known Member

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    As always, a terrific and introspective comment. Sorry to hear of your Aunt's so dying. :(
     
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  6. marylamby

    marylamby Well-Known Member

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    What else do they have? Shabby partial dna crapola? I think they may milk it for everything it's worth to try to suggest that if not this guy, why not other guys? Or, at least, make some jurors sympathetic to BM for a lesser charge.
    This will be a very interesting trial.
     
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    Like many others, I believe JL knew about SM’s problems with BM. Why else was he trying to help her break away from him? IMO, he knew she was afraid of BM and when he found out she was missing he had to have realized she was dead. After all, he never heard from her again and BM was the key suspect in her disappearance almost from the get-go. I believe the prosecution will use him as a witness, and his testimony will be very damaging for the defense.
     
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  8. Error505

    Error505 Well-Known Member

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    BBM Interesting! WOW! I’m not posting much, but reading everyone’s great posts. It totally slipped by me BM had told someone to “control your wife!” I hate to ask, but can you refresh my memory. What an absolute jerk! Was this in IN or after moving to CO? TIA @Seattle1 great info!
     
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  9. gliving

    gliving Woof

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    The investigators didn't follow up on her secret bank account so we don't know how much money was there or if it was spent. We also don't know who deposited the money or how it was deposited.

    SUZANNE MORPHEW: Preliminary hearing in Barry Morphew trial reveals new details | FOX31 Denver
    The defense, despite the state’s objection, outlined how Suzanne opened up a secret bank account with GreenDot bank and Royal Compass Management. Eytan asked Harris if he looked into this, and he said he did not.
     
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  10. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    As told by Chris M (TIR), this was in IN when a woman confronted BM about how he allegedly threatened/talked to her son that was dating one of the daughters. MOO
     
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    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    In CO, there are two degrees of 2nd degree murder. The more serious charge includes " knowingly performed an action that could lead to death, even if death wasn't intended." (Paraphrasing). The less serious form (4-24 years as a sentence) is "heat of passion, strong immediate reaction." Shooting someone with a tranq dart comes under the more serious charge, in my book. It's not like seeing your spouse in flagrante and reacting with the first thing that comes into your mind.

    However, I do think the defense would somehow have to get evidence into court (without putting Barry on the stand) to show that shooting someone with a dart, with the intent of either sedating or killing them, is not in fact the basis of a first degree murder. What was the point of sedating her? Did she so jealously guard her journal that sedation was needed for him to sit and thumb through it? And then he decided to kill her?

    Still pre-meditation, to me.

    To remove her from the house and have all forensic products of death be hidden and elsewhere.
     
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    since the AA has been sealed i would guess that some evidence in the AA was not mentioned at the PH. not all evidence to back a particular charge, if included in the AA, needs to be put forward during the PH. so if someone, such as myself, was thinking , is this all they got? most likely, no. the evidence within the AA that was the motivation to seal the AA might also have been excluded from the PH either by order or agreement. MOO.
     
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  13. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    He’s so classy, and not controlling at all. If I didn’t know any better though, I’d say that he almost looks down on women.
     
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    Willowwood26 Well-Known Member

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    This is fascinating and made me look at myself and my biases…..Um. Thank you for posting and I always appreciate your expertise.
     
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  15. marylamby

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    Great comment and while I don't have time to research current statistical jury selection legalese, I don't think anything substitutes common sense when choosing a jury.
    I understand how you only get so many passes within the pool but it's quite important to 'stack' your odds as much as possible, from both sides. Due diligence.
     
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  16. marylamby

    marylamby Well-Known Member

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    Which would still prove premeditation, as you say.
     
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  17. Seattle1

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    2-year affair

    By: Stephanie Butzer
    Posted at 12:24 PM, Aug 09, 2021
    and last updated 4:20 AM, Aug 13, 2021

    CHAFFEE COUNTY, Colo. — Suzanne Morphew was having a two-year affair leading up her 2020 disappearance and alleged murder at the hands of her husband, an investigator said in Monday’s preliminary hearing.
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    Barry told authorities, “There’s not a more special, wonderful person in the world.” He said they did have “spats” about him working too much and he wanted her off a certain medication she was taking, but “it wasn’t like they didn’t make up,” Nielsen said.

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    Authorities didn't learn about this affair until November 2020 — six months after Suzanne went missing. There were hundreds of hours of phone calls, WhatsApp messages and other communication. The two met up at least six times in New Orleans, Michigan, Texas, and Indiana, and she didn't tell anybody about him, Walker confirmed.

    Libler did not voluntarily come forward to help find Suzanne, Walker said. Law enforcement first spoke with him on Nov. 13, 2020. It's not yet clear what was discussed in that conversation.

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    The second witness of the preliminary hearing, Kenneth Harris, was brought to the stand around 11:30 a.m. Monday. He is one of two FBI Special Agents on the case and specializes in behavior analysis.

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    Harris said in some conversations picked up on Suzanne’s spy pen, you could hear her and Barry arguing about money. She was heard accusing him of telling her what she can do and what she can wear.

    Another recording picked up a five-hour conversation with Jeff Libler, the man Suzanne was having an affair with, Harris said. It was at this point that investigators realized there was an affair involved, he said.

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    In the texts, Suzanne said her cancer had returned in May 2018 and her health was declining. She worried her marriage was only worsening it. Oliver responded, saying the toll of the couple’s fights was concerning.

    Oliver also said while Barry might have called May 9 a “perfect night,” she knew the couple hadn’t had a "perfect night in a year and a half,” Harris said.

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    He said at one point, Barry put a gun to his head and asked, "Is this what you want?" He had also pinned her to the bed before. She said she'd call police.

    Suzanne wanted to leave the marriage in 2019 and 2020, but also wanted to wait until their youngest daughter was out of the house, Harris said. Meanwhile, Barry was worried about how others perceived their marriage and always "wanted to come out looking good," Harris said.

    Text messages between Oliver (Suzanne's good friend) and Suzanne show that Suzanne was confiding in her friend about the failing marriage. At one point, she said she hoped Barry would find somebody else and leave.

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    By February 2020, Suzanne and Oliver are talking almost every day and the subject of leaving Barry is a frequent topic.

    Harris said Suzanne was racked with guilt and wanted forgiveness from God. In texts, she said she wondered what the "young me" was thinking. Her relationship with her daughters was the center of her world, Harris said.

    Harris then explained how Suzanne came to know Libler.

    The two had gone to high school in Indiana and hooked up during the summer of 1989 at a house party. Barry was not at the party. Twenty years later, they hooked up again, Harris said.

    The relationship started platonic — talking about books, movies, Suzanne's cancer — but by February 2019, the two met up in New Orleans and fooled around in a hotel. Harris said they did not have sex.

    They met up a few other times in 2019 as well, he said. They started communicating via WhatsApp and LinkedIn when Barry became suspicious.

    After Suzanne's disappearance and once authorities tracked down Libler to talk, he said Suzanne's marriage was not good. The couple argued a lot, he said, and she repeatedly said she wanted to leave. However, she also said she couldn't divorce Barry for "Biblical reasons."

    Upon discovering she may have been abducted, Libler deleted his accounts because he said it'd negatively affect Suzanne's daughters, Harris said.

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    Eytan said Suzanne seemed to keep lots of secrets, noting that the affair was not a short-term fling.

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    Suzanne did not tell her sister or best friends about Libler, Eytan said.

    Barry claimed not to know about the affair when investigators told him, Harris said. He said he thought she may have been having an emotional affair, but not a physical one.

    [...]

    Some of the messages between Suzanne and Libler were shown in court, such as: "Your heart, that's what I crave," "I love how you love me. I love how you think," and "You're the sweetest thing I've ever known."

    Note: There was a brief technical complication at this point. Denver7 will work to fill in the gaps of what happened in this timeframe.

    [Cellular connectivity issue reported by several reporters attending court].

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    They talked about moving to Ecuador where Suzanne could teach language, Eytan said.

    On May 8, 2020, Libler messaged Suzanne saying, "You need to be my wife" and complimented her biking gear. The following morning, May 9, she texted him saying, "We need to be husband & wife."

    Libler said the affair made him nervous and he didn't want to lose his job or his family. He said he didn't want Suzanne's legacy to be that she had an affair "with that guy."

    https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...rs-confirm-suzanne-was-having-a-2-year-affair
     
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  18. Momofthreeboys

    Momofthreeboys Well-Known Member

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    Where did it come up that he was "helping her breakaway from him"?
     
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    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    Under Colorado law, a person commits the crime of murder in the second degree if the person knowingly causes the death of another person. The “knowingly” element distinguishes second-degree murder from the crime of manslaughter, which requires only that you act recklessly.

    First-degree murder in Colorado requires proof of premeditation and deliberation, along with extreme indifference to human life in general. While a second-degree murder conviction requires proof that you acted intentionally, it does not require premeditation.

    BM states that he's been hunting since the age of 9. I can't see any circumstance where BM using a tranquilizer, intended for the sedation of animals, on his wife, that ultimately aids in her death, can be anything other than 1st degree murder.

    Second Degree Murder - Colorado Law - 18-3-103 CRS
     
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  20. marylamby

    marylamby Well-Known Member

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    They could try but then how did she get gone? Who picked her up? I think they'll throw out more than a few alternate theories.
     
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