CO CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #50

Discussion in 'Missing Persons Discussion' started by Mysti88c, May 12, 2020.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. 10ofRods

    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

    Messages:
    7,351
    Likes Received:
    92,806
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That "phony" account was accessed by me, according to my own linked-in profile, a little more than one week after Suzanne disappeared.

    You could be right - someone could have pretended to be Suzanne, taken down her real account, and created another Suzanne from Salida with similar interests. But it still isn't exactly the same profile that I saw - the interests are the same (angels, etc) but the other information is different.

    Maybe she never had a real account and someone impersonated her. I find that unlikely. But if they did, they wanted to portray her as someone interested in life coaching and sports/athletics - which is exactly what I remember seeing on that profile.

    Perhaps the real Suzanne had more than one profile (happens all the time, people lose passwords, etc). In which case, someone took down the real Suzanne's profile - also from Salida, also interested in life coaching and exercise, but with a different profile.

    I don't see more than one Sunset Farm profile in the sources I've been to on LinkedIn - I only look back at things I've already been too (I've been to a wrong Suzanne Morphew but never a Susan Morphew or a Susan M). I also don't see any other Sunset Farms profiles in CO, but I haven't spent a lot of time searching.

    At any rate, there's still a Suzanne M. from Salida and associated with Sunset Farms on LinkedIn. Since you say this was recently created, can you say how you know that? Because I don't see a date of creation for any profiles, even my own.
     


  2. 10ofRods

    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

    Messages:
    7,351
    Likes Received:
    92,806
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yep, and can you point out where anything in the Code says LE can just access records of anyone who has ever been in contact with a crime victim?

    The first criteria is, of course, consent. After that, it gets legally tricky. If LE needs to do - why appeal to the public for health if they can just subpoena??? If they could use the Emergency clause (unlikely) they would do it.

    They probably do not want to use the Emergency Clause because they are planning to prosecute this as a murder case and they do not think they have a serial killer on their hands.

    There has to be a reason why LE isn't going the subpoena route at this point. Keep in mind we're talking about the (redacted) social media messages of people who know Suzanne - not Suzanne herself. Just regular people who may have been in touch with her.

    BTW, that is one of the slowest loading sites in my known internet universe.
     
  3. kittythehare

    kittythehare Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    8,272
    Likes Received:
    33,144
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I imagine it falls within this range but I am not a lawyer
    Standard 25-5.4. Emergency aid and exigent circumstances

    Law enforcement should be permitted to access a protected record for emergency aid or in exigent circumstances pursuant to the request of a law enforcement officer or prosecutor. As soon as reasonably practical, the officer or prosecutor should notify in writing the party or entity whose authorization would otherwise have been required under Standard 25-5.3.
     
  4. kittythehare

    kittythehare Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    8,272
    Likes Received:
    33,144
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The bleach has me confused too, for the reasons you outline.
    I have no idea what he hoped to achieve with bleach, if indeed he did use it in large quantities in strong concentrations.
    It's something I have pondered and wondered whether he'd mixed it with another chemical in an effort to bring about a dissolving of her body.
    I searched but found nothing conclusive
    chlorine bleach in effort to clean a crime scene - Google Search

    I'm unsure how clued in he was about chemicals or what he purchased in recent times.
     
  5. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

    Messages:
    18,839
    Likes Received:
    199,419
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Given the unprecedented pandemic, IMO, I think millions of homes where no crime occurred smelled like bleach or disinfectant in May 2020.

    Personally, I've taken most of Andy's comments respectfully with a grain of salt including that the Morphew residence smelled of bleach and that there were remnants of bloody roadkill located at the residence.

    Even though Andy is family, I believe the CCSO has been keeping information very close to the vest and continues to do so. I also think many of Andy's comments have been taken out of context or expanded upon with no basis for doing so.

    For example, depending on the source, there are several sites that claim deer shed their antlers anywhere between January and April -- sometimes earlier depending on the age and physical condition of the deer, etc.

    And prior to the antlers breaking off, the shedding of the velvet is bloody.

    [​IMG]

    More at link below.

    10 Amazing Photos of a Buck Shedding Velvet

    MOO
     
  6. nrbc4

    nrbc4 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    114
    Likes Received:
    1,726
    Trophy Points:
    93
    For some reason I’ve always felt like she is close to home, in that triangle area that he keep saying had been searched in the Draper video. Somewhere close enough that he can keep an eye on things. I think Broomfield is just part of his alibi, to put distance between him and the crime scene/body. If she’s found between home and Broomfield, it will definitely point right at him and he knows it. But you never know, hopefully he is that dumb. MOO
     
  7. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

    Messages:
    18,839
    Likes Received:
    199,419
    Trophy Points:
    113
    My point is that I doubt that SM had a LinkedIn account. I should have been more clear and apologize.

    By their own definition, LinkedIn is a professional network that's mainly focused on careers.

    We know she had fb, Instagram, and had not posted on Twitter since April 2017.

    What is LinkedIn and How Can I Use It? | LinkedIn Help
     
  8. FromGermany

    FromGermany Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    9,321
    Likes Received:
    21,752
    Trophy Points:
    113
    -brackets by me-

    It would fit his peculiarities in any case. I don't know, if he managed to take SM to a place not that close, but nevertheless with an opportunity to visit regularly and have an eye on things (like vegetation). IMO
     
  9. FromGermany

    FromGermany Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    9,321
    Likes Received:
    21,752
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If BM thinks in the same way and SM had to hide her conversation, she could have chatted even via LinkedIn. BM likely wouldn't have searched for her contact on LinkedIn. IMO
     
  10. TIGER0822

    TIGER0822 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    232
    Likes Received:
    3,216
    Trophy Points:
    93
    My timeline theory:
    Everything happened between Saturday evening and 4am.

    This is the most logical sequence I see.
    -Saturday evening argument / crime
    -BM cleans up house crime scene.

    -BM calls MG and says he needs help with a job urgently.
    - BM picks up MG
    -They drive to the job site (where the neighbor heard machinery ).
    If SM is not buried there... some other major evidence is.
    -BM drops MG off at 4am
    -Drives back to his house.
    -finishes cleaning up evidence
    ‘Leaves (SM sleeping! ) at 5am and drives to Broomfield . Probably staging the bike enroute.
    -Drives to a car wash
    -Checks into the holiday inn

    MG returns to the ‘loud machinery. site on Sunday to rake out the beach (cover tracks)
    She assembled the hastily put together crew for the questionable wall project which had no bricks or proper tools. In fact JP
    sounded happy to hang around a nice hotel for a few days while being paid for his time, and he did not want to contact BM as he had more urgent matters!
     
  11. Lilypad13

    Lilypad13 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    649
    Likes Received:
    10,617
    Trophy Points:
    93
    This made me LOL after just reading @Megnut’s post re WS members’ internet searches. :p Yes detective I have a perfectly logical explanation for why I searched to see if you can dissolve a body in chlorine bleach!
     
  12. FromGermany

    FromGermany Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    9,321
    Likes Received:
    21,752
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If I remember well, SuzanneM was the name for her foundation and I wondered about the missing surname. Now there is a different name. - Just saying .... ;)
     
  13. kittythehare

    kittythehare Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    8,272
    Likes Received:
    33,144
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm late to this case and very slow to get through all the threads, only first 3 completed so far.
    I'm curious re topography in relation to Gannon's case.
    There were so very many crevices where he could have been hidden and we searched quite a few of them at the time.
    Is this landscape similar?
    In Gannon's case the whole family were avid walkers so they would have been aware of holes and precipices?
    Suzanne was small and light, probably.
    Have we looked at land surrounding the family home for disused wells etc? Steep drops that would not have required vehicular access or would but no track would have been left because of the terrain?
    My instinct is honing in and around family home too , as another poster just mentioned?
     
  14. news buff

    news buff Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    79
    Likes Received:
    413
    Trophy Points:
    53
    I have wondered if any acquaintances, family or friends had been to the home just before Suzanne went missing.
     
  15. al66pine

    al66pine Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,189
    Likes Received:
    14,753
    Trophy Points:
    113
    @kittythehare I'm not sure I'm following the gist of your post.
    If the post questions how/why both his & her messages were admitted in evd at trial, possibly, because imo:
    -- LE got Search Wts for def, and woman gave voluntary consent for hers;* or
    -- LE got Search Wts for both sides; or
    -- Prosecutor & def atty stipulated as to the woman's identity, nature of her relationship w def, and that transcripts of their messages were true & accurate records of their convo's, so there was no issue/objection on grounds of authenticity.


    I may be experiencing one of my :confused: denser moments :confused: in seeing correlation to SM case. My apologies.
    _________________________________________________________
    * If post questions whether LE lawfully obtained both sides of convo's ---
    --Defendant's private messages? Very likely imo LE wrote affidavit showing probable cause (that def. committed a crime) for the search warrant, submitted it to judge, who signed to authorize, then LE served the warrant, and got info, later presented at trial.
    --Woman's messages? Maybe LE was made aware woman had been in contact w def, so they simply asked her, and she gave voluntary consent and provided phone/device/info. If so, no search warrant necessary. Or maybe LE had some indications she was somehow involved in the death (before or after?), so was able to show probable cause of that in the affidavit, judge signed, LE served search warrant, & got her messages.
     
    Blue Amethyst and Subiechik21 like this.
  16. kittythehare

    kittythehare Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    8,272
    Likes Received:
    33,144
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I was replying to something. I believe. I'm finding it difficult to understand your question.
    It was a Federal case, well documented here on websleuths.
    They got a warrant for his entire facebook content, including private messages.
    They PRESENTED both his communications and the replies he received as evidence.
    ETA Exhibit List – #414 in United States v. Christensen (C.D. Ill., 2:17-cr-20037) – CourtListener.com

    Exhibit List – #410 in United States v. Christensen (C.D. Ill., 2:17-cr-20037) – CourtListener.com

    Methinks you want the warrants?
    ETA to direct links to all social media included in above two links.
    Exhibits | Central District of Illinois | United States District Court
     
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2020
  17. al66pine

    al66pine Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,189
    Likes Received:
    14,753
    Trophy Points:
    113
    @kittythehare
    Sorry my question about relevance is not coming across clearly. Although unfamiliar w details of ^ case, I'm aware of many other criminal cases in which both sides of a private message convo (or emails or equivalent) have been presented and ruled admissible in court, both in fed & state trials. I also understand from your post that it happened in ^ specific federal case.
    I did not intend to question your summary of that case, but am not following how that case is relevant to SM's disappearance or presumed death. Maybe I missed the post you were replying to. Very long day for me, so tomorrow, I'll reread the last few pages of the thread.

    Hopefully,;) morning caffeine will improve my comprehension. :)

    {{ETA: Before signing off, I just read your ETA, "Methinks you want the warrants?" and more. Thank you. I'll give it a look after a caffeine infusion. }}
     
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2020
  18. Trackergd

    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

    Messages:
    3,624
    Likes Received:
    13,393
    Trophy Points:
    113
    From what I can see in Google Earth views, the terrain would be difficult for a wheeled skid-steer loader. A rubber tracked loader would have a better chance of navigating the landscape, however either machine would leave significant ground disturbances from the wheels/tracks that would take a lot of work to conceal and would not necessarily require the operator/actor to get wet. While a lot of work could cover up the loader tracks, there would be no way to conceal the crushed brush, branches and ground litter. If near the river was the method of concealment, I think it would have been done with hand tools.
     
  19. Trackergd

    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

    Messages:
    3,624
    Likes Received:
    13,393
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You have a 3 1/2 to 4 hour window. That includes travel time, digging the grave, concealment and cleanup. At least 1 to 2 hours for digging a grave deep enough by hand to prevent carrion eaters from digging it up, depositing the body and filling it back in. Leveling the spot and concealment with rocks and debris is at least 1 hour to do a good job. Getting to the grave site and back is the remainder of the time. Afterwards tools may need to be cleaned, mud removed from boots, cloths disposed of or laundered, etc. That part can be explained away as part of the actors business. I wonder if the forensics team compared the dirt on the tools, machinery, boots, etc. to that of the river, beach area and land behind PP?

    If we look at the beach, you have to ask yourself what contractor would spend the time and money to create a landscape feature as a "gift" for the customer unless there was the potential for a lot of repeat business. Profit is key, time and materials cost money. And why send someone to rake it at a later time? Hiding tracks and disturbances?
     
  20. FromGermany

    FromGermany Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    9,321
    Likes Received:
    21,752
    Trophy Points:
    113
    IF Suzanne was impersonated by someone the whole morning, until the conversation with her friend stopped, THEN her husband BM had much more time for unknown activity ....
    Do you think, it would be possible for BM to have had someone for this job, who was able to "talk" like a woman, allegedly interested in the coming wedding of bff's child?
    ETA: For this theory, BM must have known, that the friend would like to have a conversation on Saturday morning.
     
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2020
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page



  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice