CO CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #7

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  1. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy&Gabby

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    I recall that soundbite interview. The mountain biker said he felt like the car didn't belong. Since the biker was willing to approach a reporter about his concern, I think he probably gave this information to LE. See something, say something. That's what we're all are encouraged to do. No tip is too small.
     


  2. Love Never Fails

    Love Never Fails Well-Known Member

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    So you think it is his coworker or someone who works for him?
    What leads you to think that? I guess it doesn’t matter yet since LE aren’t letting us know what evidence they do have but I’m just wondering what your thoughts are.go
    Good thoughts. Hoping you are right.
     
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  3. Dr.StClements

    Dr.StClements Former Member

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    As I mentioned at the beginning of my post, I am not prepared to cite the individual instances and what they pertain to. That would be overstepping the mark clinically, I believe.
    They aren't the kinds of things people read in books on micro-tells. The expressions on the face are often very nuanced and so subtle that it takes multiple reads of slowed and stilled footage. Also, this is a live case. Some of the phases I refer to might be linked to a feeling of guilt about something else, but still closely associated to the missing person.
    We time the spaces between words, examine the order in which certain words occur, correlate these with facial expressions on the upper and lower face, include where hands are placed and what they are doing, position of legs, and at what times during the conversation, where pauses for breath are taken, when a person speaks more loudly or more quietly, and in which directions they are looking when saying certain things. There are many more indicators that we take into account.
    The majority of us know when someone familiar greets us with a false smile - the mouth smiles while the eyes do not! We are looking for micro-expressions, far, far, more subtle facial movements, combined with what is being said.

    What is fascinating is that armed with the knowledge, some people think they can practice sufficiently to iron out these clues. That's where they fall down. There is extensive forensic research on this. Trying to cover certain behaviours usually elicits others! One of the common ways of trying to get around being caught out on footage is to continually practise, then pre-record it...

    There are exceptions: certain individuals with particular personalities can lie with impunity and not register it in their verbal/non-verbal behaviour. They do, however, manifest certain severely disordered personality traits, which are diagnostic in themselves.
    That's why some sociopaths/psychopaths can pass polygraph tests that prove them to be innocent when they are in fact guilty.

    I'll give you a common, well-known example of a non-verbal behaviour - apologies if you already know this.
    Blinking that is atypical of the individual's usual pattern can be a useful indicator. When something is too unpalatable to contemplate, or the individual wants to distance themselves from it, they'll begin rapid or double blinking when talking/being forced to talk about that issue.
     
  4. BeckyF

    BeckyF Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for posting this. I'm so glad you are posting with us.
     
  5. RickshawFan

    RickshawFan Verified Outdoor Recreation Specialist

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    But why not just swap phones? Why mess about with the SIMs? That's what I don't understand.
     
  6. Murphy1950

    Murphy1950 Well-Known Member

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    So true Warwick and regarding Gannon,
    LE never told us about finding the bloody board and sock, that had to be on or by Feb 15th the day they ended their search of Southern Douglas County. In fact their only comment was...they still thought he was alive.
     
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  7. Spartygirl

    Spartygirl Verified Insider - Michael Vanzandt case

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    On the flip side, we had mouthy LS stepmom of GS who couldn't stop talking to reporters and on SM while mom and dad only spoke a few times, from the heart, IMO
    We just never know how a family member feels by what they say or don't say during an interview.
    Some guilty ones don't say much if anything, other guilty ones talk non-stop while the Innocent ones are the same, some speak, some don't.
    Human nature at it's best and a complex study of how different people act in such different ways.
     
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    cody22 Former Member

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    Great post, GK !.......You did good spotting that one......moo
     
  9. K9Enzo

    K9Enzo Well-Known Member

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    My unprofessional thoughts on the video released by the husband. It’s important to note, for me at least, this video was released before the private property search of one of the husband’s recent job sites.

    IMO, the husband did not want to do this video and was ill advised to do it (again, my opinion). He comes across as having distain for his wife, that he knows what she’s been up to, it’s been revealed to him & her not returning home is her own doing. I’m not implying he thought she got what she deserved. I believed the money he put up was sincere to bring her home. His knee jerk reaction is to throw money at it. At first I really believed he thought she was abducted but later changed my mind.

    For the record, I do believe SM is a victim of a crime and was never abducted but murdered quickly after whatever event happened and was disposed of. I don’t believe her end was planned & the aftermath to conceal what happened was not well thought out. I do believe she will be recovered.

    I am one that doesn’t subscribe to the husband is always guilty & roll my eyes with immediate “Chris Watt’s vibes” some have on cases. I’m one in the Barbara Thomas case that does not believe her husband harmed her but that she got lost & had a medical emergency during their outing. I did find them both to be odd in general. My opinion has swayed a lot in this case after the private property search. I don’t believe LE is going down ghost trails.
     
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  10. Madeleine74

    Madeleine74 Knower of Things

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    LE will say nothing, or as little as they can.

    The place where people will learn about the details in a case and what evidence exists is in a trial. Outside of that, it will seem like a lot of <crickets>.

    Those new to following a crime case need to understand this is very typical in criminal cases. The public is not entitled to know the details of an investigation and sleuthers have no standing with investigators, because they are just members of the public too.
     
  11. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Long time lurker, first time poster.

    We’ve followed countless missing persons investigations on here, and regardless of who conducting the investigation, we generally see the same things:

    A physical description (clothing, height, weight, etc).

    The time and date the person was last seen.

    Public searches, daily press conferences, and appeals from the family.

    Here, the FBI and CBI were on scene very quickly, and searches were conducted by law enforcement. They did not ask for public help in that regard.

    That tells me that they knew a crime had been committed, and had a very good idea that the perpetrator was close to home.

    We know how the CBI and FBI operate, and how they handle certain situations. I’m convinced this is a murder investigation with a strong suspect.

    Not a stranger abduction. Not a runaway wife. Not an accident. Not an animal attack. Not a lost woman.

    This could take a while.
     
  12. Madeleine74

    Madeleine74 Knower of Things

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    You are correct, and if they didn't announce it someone pointed it out early in the investigation. Obviously there could be a conflict of interest since BM is a volunteer firefighter, so that agency was purposely excluded. Protection of the case is vital and the sheriff knows what he's doing.
     
  13. HongKongPhooey

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    Wahayyyyyyyyyy we have missed you!!
     
  14. windrower

    windrower Well-Known Member

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    Marc Klaas set the bar pretty high for how a kidnapped person's innocent family behaves: Speak up, and keep speaking up. Let LE investigate the family, friends, whatever it takes for LE to find the kidnapped person. Meet with any and all media to keep the story in the news. Speak up, tell the world what your kidnapped person was like, and keep speaking up for them.

    So did the Elizabeth Smart family, when she was abducted in the middle of the night from her home. From wikipedia: In the early hours of June 5, 2002, Mitchell broke into the home of Edward and Lois Smart in the Federal Heights neighborhood of Salt Lake City, where they lived with their six children.[9] He abducted 14-year-old Elizabeth from the bedroom she shared with her nine-year-old sister,

    On June 6, 2002, Ed and Lois went on television and pleaded for the kidnapper to return their daughter.

    Kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart - Wikipedia

    Elizabeth's parents were on camera pleading for the return of their daughter THE NEXT DAY.

    And as AmandaSkis noted in a post quoted below, Kelsey Berreth's mom put herself in the public arena because she hoped it would make a difference to both Kelsey's baby, who was with the perpetrator's family, and Kelsey herself, who is still missing.

    SM doesn't have what those cases had: an impassioned spokesperson who wanted just one thing--to find the missing person and bring her home.

    Instead, she's got her husband's friends being interviewed and sharing second-third-fourth hand "information," a lukewarm Facebook Find page, a questionable g f m, a huge monetary reward posted (for safe return, not just any return), and one of the most inane videos I've ever seen, the one and only public plea SM's husband has made.

    SM is in trouble, and I hate that.

    IMO, the Find SM page and admin were never in sync with BM. We just didn't know it at the time. But it explains a lot if the Find SM people were not in the BM camp.

    I don't believe SM was on a bike ride when she went missing. So, I'll answer your question: It does seem unlikely.

    This.^^^^

    Quite a bit doesn't add up for me in SM's case. Too many oddities and coincidences.

    Not always, but usually. We'll have to wait and see which statistic column this case will add to.

    A bamboozled friend? One who has been manipulated into believing the cover story?

    Can you give us a path as to where to look for this info? WS allows posters some leeway when pointing out comments on Facebook and news media sites.

    And the ground-laying, story-making, red herring-planting continues. Even further afield. (Who did send that message, NuttMegg, do you think? Another bamboozled friend or family member?)

    "The Fable of the Bike Ride." Great title.
     
  15. BrownRice

    BrownRice Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily. If I had a lot of money and lived comfortably, and someone I cared deeply about was in danger, I’d do it.
     
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    Welcome to WS! I’m sure your insight will be appreciated
     
  17. Seattle1

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    Hear, hear!
     
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  18. Tippy Lynn

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  19. BrownRice

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    You’re not comparing apples to apples. In many instances, the husband is guilty! A father or mother going public is completely different than a spouse. Of course parents can be guilty too, but often they are not guilty.
     
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    Agreed.

    The police DO NOT NEED PUBLIC’S HELP. And I believe they asked family not to talk to media. I have confidence in local police because they asked for help by other agencies. Not The public. I think they know what they are doing. It’s only frustrating (them not asking for help, or giving news conferences) to the people that don’t know Suzanne or her family. “Us”
    We’re just gonna have to wait and watch things unfold.
     
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