Connecting Dots: Frank Osellanie and missing women/children and murder victims

Discussion in 'Murder Accountability Project' started by Jfarrell555, Apr 5, 2018.

  1. Hoopsticks

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    Not gonna lie, I really only tossed out UP4778 due to circumstances the body was found in. No evidence Osellanie was in Toledo at that time that I'm aware of, and the vitals listed don't match any suspected victim of his I've come across. Wrapped in a "blanket like material" and set on fire in an alley behind an auto parts store seems to be eerily similar to the murder he was convicted of and the other one he's seriously suspected of.

    Admittedly, it's a pretty wild conjecture. But the similarities in signature and MO, I think are worth commenting on.

    And i believe I shall email Megan. Thanks for the tip. Upon my last check, there was a pretty noticeable discrepancies in events in Kortne Stouffer's entry.
     
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    If I had been paying proper attention, I would have realized you meant the burning of the body, etc. I was just so excited to see any activity so I pounced. LOL

    Anyway, the crimes Frank was caught for, he used a specific type of lighter fluid (Coleman/white gas) and that is how they caught him. Edit: Also, he was touching children at the time and had left his DNA in both victims he was convicted in killing. I looked at the articles and it doesn't say that Renee or Laureen were wrapped in anything, but anything is possible with these lunatics and Frank was pretty unpredictable, I guess. I truly hope he is suffering away in prison from his "dementia".

    Kortne's case is mystifying, for sure. I've never been to Palmyra, and only to Harrisburg a handful of times. If it's anything like this (or really any) area, though, there are probably lots of nuts and lots of places to hide bodies.
     
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    Not gonna lie, I really only tossed out UP4778 due to circumstances the body was found in. No evidence Osellanie was in Toledo at that time that I'm aware of, and the vitals listed don't match any suspected victim of his I've come across. Wrapped in a "blanket like material" and set on fire in an alley behind an auto parts store seems to be eerily similar to the murder he was convicted of and the other one he's seriously suspected of.

    Admittedly, it's a pretty wild conjecture. But the similarities in signature and MO, I think are worth commenting on.

    And i believe I shall email Megan. Thanks for the tip. Upon my last check, there was a pretty noticeable discrepancies in events in Kortne Stouffer's entry.

    Definitely hear ya there. I knew about the Coleman fuel, but a slight variation in whatever accelerant (if any) was used to dispose of a body by fire in an alley doesn't quite shift things enough to point away from the other guy who was doing pretty much the same thing in the neighboring state. Also, NamUs specifies it was a pink "blanket-like" material. That could serve the same purpose as the fluid, pending what that blanket was made of. If it was petrochemical in origin, that would go up in flames right quick.

    Again, all conjecture. Reaching here.

    Also, was Frank convicted in Finn's death? Thought it was only Waddle. Also, read the DNA from the scene was pretty much left unrefrigerated at some lab for 18 months and was pretty much left worthless at the time. Never heard about him being charged in Finn's death.

    Could be misremembering all this. Firing this post out while on the toilet and posting it is immeasurably more important than fact checking. Posting in the event that there's something worthwhile in there.

    You are missing nothing in Palmyra. Drove through last month and straight past Kortne's apartment. Raises questions, i tell ya.
     
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    That's a perfect description of me: posting from the toilet without fact checking and feeling like a dunce afterwards LOL

    It definitely wouldn't hurt to shoot an email or give them a ring out in Toledo and see what they think. I really don't think you're reaching that far actually, and I can definitely see Frank taking a trip to Toledo. I just don't know how smart he was.

    I was a teenager when all of this stuff with him getting lazy and sloppy was happening and he was arrested. The biggest thing I remember (from that time) is them saying over and over again about the Coleman lighter fluid. They seemed to be really focused on that and I believe they found a bunch of it in his possession. I was too young (and naive) to be in any real fear for myself and I wasn't going over to that section of town a lot, anyway. At that age we are all invincible.

    I had to chuckle at your comment "Raises questions, I tell ya." I know EXACTLY what you are talking about. I worked at the hospital Jolene was last seen visiting her mother and I have driven the route several times that she would have taken home. You actually have to pass Joanne Williams' family home to do so. Not the safest section of town to say the least.
     
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    I only really heard about Frank and all these cases earlier this year. I was born in Harrisburg in 86, and I think I've only driven through Scranton once. A lot of info other posters seem to have is pretty alien to me. I'm going to have to subscribe to some online news archive somewhere just to get all the info on these things.

    Toledo is definitely a drive. Again, not too sure how far from Scranton, but it's an easy 8 hour drive from Harrisburg. My sister graduated from Toledo University, and I made the drive a few times.
     
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    Well, I'm a speed demon so keep that in mind, but I lived in Detroit for a little over a year back in 2001-2002. Also, I'm 10 years older than you so the memory isn't as great as it once was, LOL I could get from Carbondale (which is about 20 minutes north of Scranton) to Detroit proper in about 7, 7 and 1/2 hours. Toledo is about an hour south of Detroit, give or take.

    I have been dabbling in Northeastern PA cases for a few years now. I even submitted a few tips on the woman found in Sugarloaf in the late 90s. Called CRIMESTOPPERS and everything. Made me feel like a fool. Going to law enforcement is definitely NOT my forte. Threw out a few possibilities for a few cases here, too, and got a crickets' response. LOL
     
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    Know the feeling. Reported to crimewatch in Lancaster County last year with the developments in the Lindy Sue Biechler case. Just silence in response. At the same time, don't imagine how much they could say or do when the guy I'm suggesting was killed in an attempted prison break in 1976.

    Getting way off topic here, though. I got phone calls to make and emails to fire off.
     
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    UP4778 was doused in gasoline.

    Not quite the same, but it's still similar. Just felt like tossing that in there.
     
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    Hi. I was reading up on Jolene Lakey and of course, Frank Osellanie comes up. I have nothing to offer on the ongoing case. This is just a story about me growing up on the same street as Frank Osellanie and his family. Also, a story about how growing up in the late 70's wasn't as safe as some people think.
    Okay, so I grew up down the street from the Osellanie family in the 60's, 70's and 80's. My recollections are from the mid to late 1970's, mostly walking to and from school daily. The only family members that I can recall are Mr. and Mrs. Osellanie and Rosemary Osellanie. Mr. Osellanie was probably retired by that time and I only remember him working in his garden. Mostly I remember Mrs. Osellanie hanging clothes on the clothesline. As for Rosemary, she was probably 8 to 10 years older than me and not married yet. So before 1978, she had a early model 1970's MGB convertible that I loved. I walked past it every day before school and drooled. It was somewhere around 1975. The color was orangey/sunset color and I think it had a luggage rack on the back. Not sure about that. Basically that's all I can remember about the Osellanie's. Their house was only 5 houses away and there was nothing remarkable about it or them that stands out, except for the MGB. I walked past that house daily for 12+ years. The neighborhood at that time had a ton of school-age children in the 60's and 70's and 80's. Almost every house had a kid or two. And these homes were all within 50' of each other. There's another reason why I am writing to you. There are two incidents that happened to me that I will never forget. The year was 1975 or/and 1976. First one: While walking home from grade school, a large maroon car with an old gray haired man pulled up along the sidewalk (in front of Osellanie's), as I was walking past and yelled, "Get in the car!" I took off running to another neighbor's house, and she watched as I walked to my house. Second one: I used to have a small motorbike that I rode around the neighborhood. I was at the far end of my street at the intersection, stopped. A greenish car came to a stop across from me. I don't think he had any blinkers on. Being that he was a car, I waited for him to go first. But he didn't. Now, this is weird, but I remember his face even now. It seemed to glow or somehow standout from everything. He had black hair and green eyes and he smiled at me. I probably smiled back! Anyway, I turned left and he followed me. Well that set my neck hairs up and I continued down the street and stupid me turned into a street that only led into the local school's elementary one way round about driveway. There was no way out. He followed me onto that street and stopped. My mind was racing on how to get out of that situation. I couldn't think of one. What I did next was stupid, stupid, stupid. I actually headed back toward the street and his car. But instead of going past the passenger side of his car (or maybe I couldn't at the time) I rode past the driver's door. My guardian angel must have been watching over me, because he didn't open his door or try to grab at me through his window. I rode past him and back the way I came. He had to turn around to get back out of the street. I turned onto a side street and hid the motorbike and myself behind a car and waited. He did drive by the street slowly looking for me. He kept going because he couldn't see me. As soon as he passed I took off for home which was two blocks away. When I got home I put the bike away in the garage and watched from a safe place and never saw him drive by. It has stayed with me for 50 years.
    There was maybe another possible time, but I can't be sure, so that one is just stowed away in my memory.
    I am sorry you had been dragged into such a horrible frightening experience as a young child. It is amazing how they shape our lives and our children's lives. It may be why for me, these kinds of abductions, murders draw me in and fuel my nightmares. By the way, I am a female and a bit older than you. Thanks for reading.
     
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    I'm so happy nothing bad happened to you Joanne Williams is my aunt and it's something my family always is pained with
     
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