Conrad Murray trial -Day fifteen

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  1. Soulmagent

    Soulmagent Active Member

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    Dr Murray was not to happy with yesterdays Propofol evidence. The demonstratrive examples shown in court having seemed to upset him more than any other aspect of the case so far. (next to the angry looks his gave the security guards) .
    The next week will have 15 witnesses for the defence I wonder which one of those witnesses Murray has the most faith in, as it is going to take MJ himself showing up in court for him to be found not guilty , IMO.

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  3. tweezybird

    tweezybird New Member

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    So when is court going to resume, I thought I heard 3:45?
     
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  5. Thundar

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    I wonder why so late? That doesn't give defense much time if they are going to get in their cross so prosecution can finish with their part of this trial. I bet defense goes all afternoon and part of Monday. Unless they streamline their questions and don't ask the same question ten different ways.
     
  6. Velouria

    Velouria Don't Drink the Pinellas Punch!

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    Apologies if this subject has been covered, but does anyone have the slightest clue as to what procedure Dr. Arnie Klein could have possibly performed on MJ that would require three office visits per week, including regular doses of Demerol?

    While I don't believe he is as directly involved as Dr. Murray in MJ's death, how does his attorney explain the numerous prescriptions from Dr. K, issued in various names and found in MJ's bedroom? IMO, that's a clear indication of prescription fraud at the very least.
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  7. outofstatelawyer

    outofstatelawyer New Member

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    No idea. I did hear that because of all of the cosmetic and reconstructive surgeries, MJ's face was extremely sensitive. So, apparently it was being used prior to botox injections! (God forbid he not get botox!).

    It will be interesting to see what the medical records show. They may have been dummied up, but at least Klein kept medical records!
     
  8. Thundar

    Thundar New Member

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    You made me curious, so I went to Klien's website.

    Link
    From Link:
    "Considered the father of modern cosmetic dermatology, Dr. Arnold Klein developed the injection techniques for the cosmetic use of Botox, Collagen and Restylane. As you’ll see from our art collection, he also possesses a refined aesthetic sense. A combination of art and science epitomizes his work with fillers."
     
  9. outofstatelawyer

    outofstatelawyer New Member

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    Does anyone else get driven nuts by the conversation on In Session sometimes?

    BTW, they are making a huge deal about Chernoff doing the cross today. As I said on the last thread, Chernoff has been making the objections during Shaffer's direct, so that was no surprise to me. Courts impose a "one lawyer per witness rule", meaning that one lawyer is assigned to each witness, and does the objections and cross on each witness. I may have missed some testimony before yesterday, but it appeared to me that Chernoff was handling the objections on Shaffer's direct.

    I suppose the real question is why the guy who has been handling all of the technical medical stuff would not be "taking" Dr. Shaffer. It could be that since Chernoff is the lead attorney, he thought he needed to re-connect with the jury. Chernoff is not a stupid man, and I think he will be able to conduct the cross just fine. I think he will attack the accuracy of the medical examiner's toxicology results, thus trying to take the legs out from the basis of Shaffer's testimony. It could also be that White and Flanagan had personality clashes (doctors can be the biggest divas in the world, after all, and I suspect Dr. White has a very high opinion of himself). Since it was probably Chernoff who retained him, perhaps Chernoff was compelled to "take him" to mollify Dr. White's "diva-ish" tendencies.

    Finally, I also noted how agitated Murray looked yesterday when the IV drips came out. It was almost as if he wanted to jump up and show how he really killed MJ! Not to sound like a broken record, but there sure is a lot of wasted time, again, today, in this trial. It's driving me nutz.
     
  10. peace9274

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    OK. I'm lost.

    I was Skyping with my 3 yr old granddaughter in RI, from 8-9:15 am, my AZ time...
    and then said I had errands and had to end the call.

    I then rushed to turn on the TV (feeling guilty for ending the Skype session with my DGD so
    I could see what's happening with the CM trial).... and then to WS for the Day Fifteen thread.

    And all I see is that court will resume at 12:45 PDT.

    Did anything happen at all this morning? There's nothing at TMZ.

    I figured I'd get the fastest answer here, faster than going around the internet trying to find out.
     
  11. Crosby87

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    The camera in the courtroom has focused heavily on Dr. M over the past 2 days and I haven't seen Dr. Murray smile once.

    Dr. Murray's lawyers opposed the suspension of Dr. Murray's medical license claiming if Dr. Murray didn't work, they wouldn't get paid. Dr. Murray's father was a physician who died in 2001. AFAIK Conrad was an only child so perhaps he inherited some money after his father's death.

    Michael Jackson Manslaughter Trial: Conrad Murray Defense Witness Calls Propofol Expert a "*******"

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    ""White, who described Shafer as a friend and colleague, tells E! News that Deputy District Attorney David Walgren's treatment of the evidence has been "unethical and unconscionable." Shafer's testimony, however, has changed the way he thinks of him, White says. "I am going to take the high road, not the low road with him," he adds. "I was his teacher when he was a medical student. The truth will come out. It always does."

    UPDATE 3:05 p.m. Pastor immediately called for a break after Murray lost his cool in response to Shafer using an actual infusion stand to demonstrate how Murray could have dosed Michael Jackson with propofol. "Can you believe that?" Murray whispered to Dr. Paul White, an expected defense witness. "What a *******," White told the media seated near him.""

    Read more: http://ca.eonline.com/news/michael_jackson_manslaughter_trial/270524#ixzz1bQwMDxWA
     
  12. tweezybird

    tweezybird New Member

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    Thanks Bluesky!
     
  13. Crosby87

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    The trial has been delayed until 1:30 p.m. local time Friday due to a funeral for Dr. Shafer's father.

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-conrad-murray-trial-day-15,0,491291.story
     
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  15. Velouria

    Velouria Don't Drink the Pinellas Punch!

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    I'd heard about that Thundar and admit I was very surprised. I hate to sound unkind, but I hope that MJ's appearance wasn't an example of Dr. Klein's "refined aesthetic". IMO, vitiligo aside, whoever was responsible for performing that wretched excess of plastic surgery is nothing short of a butcher. Highly unethical and obviously not acting in the best interest of the patient.

    It had occurred to me that perhaps Dr. K. was treating MJ with lasers in order to even out his pigmentation. Still, it's hard for me to believe even that would necessitate such frequent trips to the office. Usually a topical anesthetic is used, and a period of several days of healing time is required between treatments.

    NO ONE could possibly need that many fillers or botox injections!
     
  16. Velouria

    Velouria Don't Drink the Pinellas Punch!

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    Only every time I watch it. :crazy:
     
  17. Crosby87

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    I wonder how much Micheal paid Dr. Klein for his services over the years and whether Michael had a contract with him similar to Dr. Murray's?
     
  18. Thundar

    Thundar New Member

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    I will just agree with your assessment because what was going through my mind as I was reading that was NOT for general message board posting. You did not sound unkind at all (I would have sounded much unkinder).
     
  19. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    Every time I see a picture of Dr Klein I see a major resemblence between Prince and the doctor. And it reminds me of an article in the Enquirer, in which the children's bio mother, a nurse in Dr Klein's office, stated that they used sperm from Dr Klein when she was given IVF to get pregnant.
     
  20. Crosby87

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    This article has a picture of Dr. Klein and Michael Jackson posted down the page where Part I begins.

    http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/20...ckson-dr-arnold-klein-and-dr-steven-hoefflin/

    Debbie Rowe and Michael were legally married when they had their two children.

    Did a paternity test on Paris and Prince establish MJ as their bio father?

    Marriages:

    &#8226;Lisa Marie Presley - May 18, 1994 til January 18, 1996 - ended in divorce. Lisa Marie and Michael were married in the Dominican Republic.

    &#8226;Debbie Rowe - November 15, 1996 til October 8, 1999 - ended in divorce.

    ** both marriages ended in divorce due to irreconcilable differences. **

    Children:

    &#8226;Prince Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr: Born in 1997. His mother is Debbie Rowe.
    &#8226;Paris Michael Katherine Jackson: Born in 1998. Her mother is Debbie Rowe.
    &#8226;Prince Michael Jackson II aka Blanket: Born in 2002. He had a surrogate mother.

    http://marriage.about.com/cs/celebritymarriages/p/michaeljackson.htm

    This situation reminds me when Howard K. Stern went on Larry King Live and claimed he was Danny Lynn's biological father. A paternity test identified Larry Birkhead as Danny Lynn's biological father.

    http://www.zimbio.com/Larry+Birkhead/pictures/3/Larry+Birkhead+Photo+Album?Page=2

    Howard K. Stern was found guilty of conspiracy for feeding the prescription drug addiction that eventually killed Ms. Smith. Stern faced 9 felony counts but was only convicted of two.

    Khristine Eroshevich was convicted of four counts of conspiracy, but was acquitted of two.

    Another doctor, Sandeep Kapor was acquitted of all six of his charges.

    http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/20...ckson-dr-arnold-klein-and-dr-steven-hoefflin/
     
  21. EPfan

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    YMOO, but I think that Dr. Shafer should not have mentioned Dr. White's name on anything that he might or might not have said or done, or believed. I think he should have just testified to his knowledge and beliefs. (He was doing a good job so why take a chance)
    A student and teacher, both being Dr.s, and both testifying might not be good here in this case. This will be intresting.
    Dr Shafer might come out on top, but I don't like this little personal riff.
     

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