Conrad Murray Trial - Day Ten

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  1. TxLady2

    TxLady2 Active Member

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    It's used for procedures where you have to be put to sleep for a few minutes. I always had a breathing tube when they gave it, plus a ton of monitoring equipment attached.
    I think it is given in tiny increments, just enough to put you out and keep you out until the procedure is done. It is not given all at once.
    I agree with everything else you said.
     


  2. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    Didn't the Jacksons find the pot in the master bathroom in one of MJs travel kits?

    IMO
     
  3. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. That is what the head ER doctor at UCLA hospital testified to.

    She said you draw some up depending on the weight of the individual but you only release a little at a time and may not even need to use all the amount that was drawn up.

    Of course she said the way they know if the patient needs more is because an anesthesiologist is there watching the patient along with the staff at all times.

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  4. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    Michael would have to be a Houdini to be able to do all this and then die laid out straight out on his back with both palms up.

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  5. Thundar

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    I caught part of one of the infotainment shows, can't remember which one, I was only half paying attention. Beth the blond lady actually made sense, she said that it looks like the defense has abandoned the MJ gave himself propofol and are now working with the idea that MJ took 8 lorazepam pills himself when Murray left the room for those 2 minutes. That would explain why defense was doing all those hypotheticals with 8 pills taken by mouth.

    That thought went fleetingly through my mind when I was watching yesterday, but then I got bogged down in all the other "minivan" talk and forgot it. I will add my thanks for that gem too.

    So anyway after she said that it made sense. Defense does appear to have abandoned the MJ gave himself propofol defense in favor of MJ took 8 lorazepam tablets by mouth defense.
     
  6. Thundar

    Thundar Active Member

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    Yes they did, along with several empty cigarette boxes. I agree with Katy the defense would love the jury to take the leap and believe that some one else planted all that medical equipment in the other closet because of no security in place at the house. The only problem with that is Murray admitted on his LE interview tape that those bags were his along with the paltry amount of medical equipment found inside them. Hopefully the jury will see right through that tactic.
     
  7. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    IIRC, this suitcase with the pot, along with a couple of empty cigarette packs were found in Bedroom #1 -- MJ's actual b/r and his sanctum sanctorum -- the room where no one goes except MJ. B/R #2, the one where he died, was used as the "treatment room" (my words) and it was where CM usually slept, according to CM. (I certainly could be mistaken on all of this...)

    But either way, you're right -- the DT was at least trying to sow another seed of doubt. (Necessary, IMO, since their gun has so far been shooting a buncha blanks...)

    I'm with you, Katydid, I hope the jury is too sharp to fall for that -- seems to me that they would be by now, since those same ol' tactics surely have become all-too-familiar to them. Let's hope!!
     
  8. LyndyLoo

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    I do believe that was explained clearly, that those levels are consistent with "Post Mortem Re-Distribution"..and NOT as something ingested:maddening:..DT is blowing alot of smoke.."But I Can See Clearly Now" humm isnt that a song title? :floorlaugh:
     
  9. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    Yes, exactly. Here in NC, propofol is the anesthesia of choice to give to patients undergoing colonoscopies. I recently had one, and the nurse-anesthetist was there when she conked me out & there when she brought be back.

    Very, very quick conk-out, no pain "felt" or remembered, quick back in, and it seems like you're been unconscious only for literally the blink of an eye. The procedure was done in essentially an OR -- crash cart, oxygen, doctor, nurse, and gas-passer within an arm's length of me. No grogginess or "hangover" or headache -- at least I had none. Wonderful stuff, and apparently very safe if done by someone who KNOWS WHAT HE OR SHE IS DOING. [​IMG]
     
  10. azwriter

    azwriter Sister Mary Wanna

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    Right you are borndem. With so many procedures and surgeries being done on an "out patient" basis, propoful is the ideal sleep. The patient awakes and is "up and out" of the place in no time.

    My daughter had it when she had her gall bladder removed. She was in and out all in one day. As things go now, I'm surprised they didn't perform her surgery out in the parking lot in the back of her van. I guess that's next when it comes to these "out patient" surgeries.
    jmo
     
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    Crosby87 Well-Known Member

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    A bench trial is a trial held before a judge sitting without a jury.

    Some defendants waive their right to a jury trial and choose a bench trial if they think the jury members lack the necessary knowledge and skills to render them a fair verdict.

    In U.S. law, most civil trials are bench trials unless a party requests a jury. A criminal bench trial will only occur if the right to a jury trial is waived. In the case of a criminal trial, in most states the criminal defendant alone has the ability to waive the right to a jury.

    In United States Federal criminal trials, jury trials are usually a matter of course and cannot be waived without certain requirements. Under the rules of Federal Criminal Procedure: If a defendant is entitled to a jury trial, the trial must be by jury unless: (1) the defendant waives a jury trial in writing; (2) the government consents; and (3) the court approves.

    See Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure 23(a).

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