Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #4

Discussion in 'Coronavirus - Covid-19' started by Amonet, Jan 17, 2020.

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  1. tabitha111

    tabitha111 Well-Known Member

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    I noticed that no one on that plane was wearing googles or eye protection (except for some with glasses, which may help minimally.)
     


  2. Hatfield

    Hatfield Well-Known Member

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    JMO
    Wonder why they couldnt have gotten a separate plane for suspected infected people and keep them on a separate plane?

    A plane is a fixed enclosed place and I dont think any amount of plastic sheeting could guarantee others on the plane will not breathe in the same air.

    It seems common sense keeps going out the plane windows. We try to trust they are doing things right but then we keep hearing stories like this that dont make sense.
     
  3. Hatfield

    Hatfield Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. That is the kind of information I hope the WHO will be able to determine more accurately now that they are there.

    It is vitally important to know these things so we can help combat it and to know what gives us a better chance of not catching it.
     
  4. Medstudies

    Medstudies # I Can’t Breathe- justice for all

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    County Officials Declare Precautionary Public Health Emergency Amid Coronavirus Cases

    Supervisor Nathan Fletcher announced the city declared a local emergency and a public health emergency to ensure readiness for the county after providing an update on the coronavirus cases in San Diego County Friday afternoon.

    “We're doing this to best position our county to contain and confront the novel coronavirus,” Fletcher said.

    Fletcher continued saying that this action does not signify an increase in the risk for the residents of San Diego County.”
     
  5. MommyStephV

    MommyStephV Well-Known Member

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    I’ve been following along but don’t have anything intelligent to add, I’m in Lincoln and I’ve been getting News Popups and seeing Facebook Live videos from an Omaha station, looks like some of the passengers from the ship were brought to Omaha this morning. Sounds like they took some directly to UNMC.

    People in hazmat suits, facemasks working around planes at Eppley Airfield
     
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  6. Herat

    Herat Way out West

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    Forced donation of your plasma? I wonder if these recovered Chinese patients have any say as to whether they will be donors or not?
     
  7. Herat

    Herat Way out West

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    And social behaviour. The influenza season peaks are highly correlated with the socializing and travel that occurs in the west with the holidays; Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, even President's Day. As the first two are very prominently family get-togethers, there is the opportunity for children who have picked up respiratory illnesses from schools and daycares to interact with older or extended family at close range.
     
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  8. Wicked Strong

    Wicked Strong Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, I also saw this in the local news just now
    Americans possibly exposed to coronavirus on cruise ship taken to Nebraska Med Center campus
     
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  9. Herat

    Herat Way out West

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    Yes, I did a double take on that, too.

    I surmise the test results were issued fairly close to the departure time, and the six-hour departure delay was because of this issue. How to deal with the number of positive-testing passengers?
     
  10. MimosaMornings

    MimosaMornings Well- Known Member

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    They tested positive - interested in seeing when the symptoms occur. And if infectious.....scary.
     
  11. MimosaMornings

    MimosaMornings Well- Known Member

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    :(
     
  12. galiuro1

    galiuro1 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the Japanese are necessarily 'less competent' than our doctors...just saying.
     
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  13. galiuro1

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    All the attention is on the cruise ship in Japan...what about the one in Cambodia, was it? where everyone had been allowed off and then a passenger tested positive after the passengers had already dispersed to their respective countries? Hello, how many more are positive and already back in their communities?

    Coronavirus Infection Found After Cruise Ship Passengers Disperse

    Or how bout the Japanese tour boat where more people have already been out in the community before it was discovered?


    11 infected on Tokyo tour boat, likely transmitted coronavirus to non-passengers - The Mainichi

    Dang but I knew there was a reason I have always disliked boats, haha, besides growing up in a desert...
     
  14. Auntie Cipation

    Auntie Cipation Context Matters.

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    I thought they were fully isolated on the plane, like shown in Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #4

    (that's post 967 of this thread, in case it doesn't link properly)
     
  15. Henry2326

    Henry2326 Well-Known Member

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    Not saying that........considering they have been left on a boat for almost 2 weeks infecting each other, another option has got to be better. They will be quarantined adequately in the US and isolated in infectious disease controlled hospitals if needed in the US.
     
  16. mickey2942

    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    About 40 years ago, I needed cash, and volunteered for a cold medicine test. They tested every volunteer, half were infected with a rhinovirus, the other half were "receptors", and given meds to not catch the cold.

    We were paid be in a room with everyone for two days, 16 hours, to play games, like Yahtzee, for a whole weekend. 4 people at a table, half infected, half not infected.

    Fed lots of food. It was not worth the money to me, I was given the cold, and was sick as a dog.

    Not sure how they decided who was a "receptor", we had blood tests, all sorts of tests. And I was paid $500, cash, which paid for a full semester of college tuition back then.

    But some people never caught the virus. Not sure what they found out from the tests. They called me for more tests, I told them to forget it.
     
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  17. LaborDayRN

    LaborDayRN Stay Home, Save Lives

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    Agreed. Thank you so much for this thoughtful, well written post.
     
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  18. Wicked Strong

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    I'm also wondering why both of the planes planes landed at Eppley in Omaha this morning but apparently only 7 passengers got off the second plane to be taken to UNMC. The planes landed in the US at different locations, did they both take off from Japan with infected passengers?

    ETA this article shows the interior of one of the planes. I believe the white box might be the isolation?

    Isolation chambers are installed on planes bringing 340 Americans back from Diamond Princess | Daily Mail Online

    MOO
     
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  19. Herat

    Herat Way out West

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    I understand the intent, but this could easily turn San Diego into the county that cried "wolf".
     
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  20. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 Godspeed, STAY AT HOME. Be connected when isolated

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    Fast notes from todays' WHO presser who prefer to read vs. listening, this is part 1 of 2...

    Presser notes:



    Dr. Tedras is back. He begins…



    70,630 inf. 1,792 deaths to date (missed it, think he said in China)

    94% continue to come from Hubei

    We are starting to get a clearer picture, and where it is headed

    Today China has published paper on 44,000 COVID-19 infections. This gives us better information of age range of people infected, the severity of the disease, and the mortality rate. As such, enabling WHO to give good advice to countries. The data appeared to show a decline in new cases. This trend must be evaluated very cautiously. This can change as new populations are infected. It’s too early to know if this reported decline will continue. Every scenario is still on the table. It appears that this virus is not as deadly as MERS and SARS. More than 80% have mild disease. In 14% causes pneumonia and shortness of breath. 5% have critical issues such as respiratory failure, septic shock and multi-organ failure. 2% the virus is fatal, and risk of death increases the older you are. We see few cases among children. More research is needed to understand why. Our team is working to close information gaps. We are working night and day to prepare other countries. Test kits and PPE’s we are sending out to them, working with manufacturers, training health care workers, providing advice to countries on how to do screening, testing, contact tracing and treatment. And calling out for $675 million to help countries with resources to ensure they are prepared. We don’t know how long this window of opportunity will remain open. Let’s not squander it.



    Q&As



    Q. On WHO risk assessment, should we still call it endemic? A. Yes, we need to be extremely cautious in calling it a pandemic. We had a lot of conversation with H1N1 of when it was/was not pandemic and I think we need to be careful. The real issue is if we’re seeing efficient community transmission outside of China, and at the present time, we are not observing that, and as such, we’re not in a position to have that discussion as what we are seeing is that most cases have a direct link back to China and of those outside of China, we can trace back to existing transmission chains.

    Q. Any updates on the WHO team meeting with China A. Have had series of meetings with Chinese and emanate experts working side by side. In last 72 hours laying out what are outstanding questions, what we know, what we don’t know and what is the best way as to how to access what we don’t know. The team will then go to provinces to see on the ground that work together. This is a collaboration.

    Q. It was reported estimate that this virus could infect 2/3 of the world population. A. Many people can express views of unlikely scenarios and many estimates of R0 and all of that is important for looking at possible scenarios. All predictions are important, most predictions are wrong, and I think we need to be careful.

    Q. Re China calling on previous infected patients for using plasma from recovered folks, is this good option? A. The use of convalescent plasma or hyperimmune globulin has been part of treatment of the severe infectious diseases going back almost to the beginning of when we understood viral infections. We have seen it in rabies, we have seen it in other infections. And it has been proven to be life saving in a number of diseases, diphtheria being most recent where we use a similar approach. It is a very important area to pursue, and we will need to look at how it’s used, which patients are most likely to benefit from it’s use, when during the course of the illness it would be beneficial because what hyper immune globulin does is it is concentrates the antibodies in a recovered patient and what you are doing is essentially giving the victims immune system a boost of antibodies to get them through a very difficult phase so it must be given at the right time because it mops up the virus in the system and it just gives this the patients’ immune system this vital push at the time it needs it but it has to be carefully timed and not always successful. It’s a very valid way of experimental therapeutics especially when we don’t have therapeutics or antivirals. The protocol is very important as you could transfer other diseases and well as scaling up how much is used as it’s very difficult to produce so needs to be carefully assessed before we use it widely.
     
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