Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #43

Relatives Wonder Why Pneumonia Deaths Not in Coronavirus Tally

Families describe discrepancies between information from doctors and death certificates



That's the whole point. We know China's numbers are 40x's higher (by some estimates) than reported. We have 360 million they have one and a half billion. It's my opinion their numbers are higher than ours. China has people die in hospitals from the virus but only count it as pneumonia. China lies even by hospital counts.

 

@CeeCeeCat , may I just tell you again--your posts and gratitude lists are so encouraging to me! I know you are anxious and scared, but please know that you are brightening my day (and I'm sure many others') by your honest, yet uplifting posts here on WS. Thank you again. I really do smile when I see your name come through in my scrolling.

 

I just got back from my first shopping trip under lockdown. After being met with a long queue outside of about 15 standing a long way apart I got in the queue. The supermarket is only allowing in 50 people max so one comes out, one is let in. When you get to front of queue there was kitchen towel and spray cleaner to use on your trolley plus antibacterial gel for your hands and then you wait for the next person to come out and the store worker lets you in. Plenty of room to go around store and get what you need. Some people had scarves, only saw one guy with a mask like the ones workmen use when sanding wood. At the checkout there was hardly any queuing and no two lines were open only one line open every two checkouts. The cashiers had plexiglas up and were well protected. Even the till receipt came out from under the plexiglass and you pulled it out. I was pretty impressed. I put everything back into the trolley and boxed it up from the trolley into my car straight into my boxes that I had kept from shopping 12 days ago. After returning my trolley I went back to my car got in, and got one of my antibacterial wipes in my car to do my hands my car keys and the steering wheel for good measure, put key in and turned the ignition. Then I used same wipe to do the electric window button to open the window and clean the outside door handle, closed window partly up, stashed the used wipe in the cup holder, used a bit of my antibacterial gel for my hands and headed home. This was an Aldi store in the UK so big kudos to those staff.

 

China has fewer reported cases than other countries.

The countries have the resources for comprehensive tracking and are democracies where uhmm…. "creative statistics" are harder to maintain.

In short, I strongly suspect that China realized that the virus could not be contained and that they also lost the ability to comprehensively track the virus through out urban and rural areas of the vast country.

They then decided that they would not order comprehensive and near total economic shut downs (very few Chinese have a work from home option). The virus was left to burn itself out naturally and a certain death rate would be accepted.

 

has everyone seen this crap?

Trump asks medical supply firm 3M to stop selling N95 respirators to Canada

Trump asks medical supply firm 3M to stop selling N95 respirators to Canada

 

My post wasn't clear. I agree with you on the nature of these markets. I know they exist in some parts of China, particularly the south, but they exist because of the demands of an older generation who grew up on traditional medicine and other cultural customs. They are not embraced by more recent generations.

In a country with no human rights offered by the government, it is hard to get the government to focus on animal rights. But there are many people in China fighting for both, and trying to change these older cultural practices. I worked with some of the leaders of these groups in 2011 when they first began to organize, and brought back my two cats from China that were being sold on the streets. The work goes on.

 

That’s even more reason to ‘Buy American, Hire American’.

 

hey just wanna say thanks for being on the frontline
sending you hugs from Canada

 

I don't think they have enough masks for the emergency services and health services and that is why they are not telling everyone to mask up. If they tell people to wear home made masks, they may be worse if they get moist so they are not recommending it IMO. I took a scarf today but the majority were not wearing anything and I was not at close quarters to warrant pulling the scarf up in the end. AJMO.

 

Not enough prison officers once CV19 gets in the prison maybe? And they have to try to make some room to prevent the spread. I'm just guessing here.

 

DHgate sells surgical and N95 masks. Use the filter to find sellers with a good reputation and those that small small amounts, 20 pc or 50 pc. If you need help finding some you can also contact me through PM.

 

When I talk about supplies US send to China, I am not just talking about 17 tons of donated supplies. US companies were selling PPE to China at accelerated rate in the beginning of outbreak. We knew outbreak was coming to US, and US did nothing to stop companies to sell PPE to China. And now we have to make homemade masks out of old t-shirts.

"American companies sold more than $17.5 million worth of face masks, more than $13.6 million in surgical garments and more than $27.2 million in ventilators to China during the first two months of the year, far exceeding that of any other similar period in the past decade, according to the most recent foreign trade data available from the U.S. Census Bureau."
US exports of masks, PPE to China surged in early phase of coronavirus

 

“The Administration also requested that 3M cease exporting respirators that we currently manufacture in the United States to the Canadian and Latin American markets,” a statement from the company read.

They have manufacturing facilities in other countries.

 

Indeed, most country's numbers are inaccurate. China managed to contain the outbreak primarily to Wuhan using strict measures that included dumping dirt on all roads in and out of the city. People were locked in their apartments to prevent them from spreading the virus. Wrist bands were issued weekly to allow one person from a family to shop once a week. The virus was handled very differently in China than in other parts of the world. China built new hospitals in 11 days. We don't see that anywhere else.

It doesn't really add up that China's numbers are significantly inaccurate given that the handling of the epidemic was drastically different than every other country.

 

the animal agriculture industry in western countries is just as bad
maybe this is the wake-up/shake-up the entire world needs about its horrid treatment of animals

 

From the article you mentioned:
"The governor said the prisoners were serving sentences for Class C and D felonies, the “two lowest-level felonies,” and none were convicted of violent or sex-related crimes. Certain felons were not eligible for this consideration, he said."

 

Thank you so much @sallye818 - that really means a lot to me ❤️

 

The 34% survival rate is pretty good. That is saving 1 in 3 people. The ventilated patients are the critical cases so if they can save a third that way, that is good IMO.