Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #49

[LadyL]

Neighbors walking by an infamous Brooklyn funeral home this week were shocked by the sight of bagged bodies piled outside, unrefrigerated and in full view.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/18/dead-...g6m9gfkFqjmyxkG87fJEFL6-9Q1YcrMXhspvu-C99ZlH8

 

[firebird]

No, "not returning to NORMAL" does not equal ="lock down". He never said, nor implied "lock down". He listed some events drawing crowds and closely packed venues that he thinks will not return to "normal". He said, like most other reputable scientists addressing COVID 19, that return to normal requires a vaccine that will take 12-18 months.

Agree to disagree. Regardless, I don't think anyone disputes that there are plenty of people, "expert" and otherwise, who are against opening the entire economy up in the very short term. And that's what started the conversation -- i.e., my opinion that our leaders are starting to realize that the current situation is not sustainable even in the very short term.

 

[Henry2326]

NEVADA

Wynn Resorts Chief Executive Officer Matt Maddox on Sunday called on the Nevada governor to begin to reopen the Las Vegas Strip in mid- to late May with extensive safety measures in place, assuming the state is in line with certain benchmarks around the spread of the coronavirus.
Wynn Resorts CEO calls for Las Vegas Strip to conditionally reopen in mid- to late May

Rx is 1.0
Positivity rate is 11.7....needs to be 5.0
Tests per 1000 people is 9.4....needs to 50.
Neither cases or deaths appear to be flattened.
IMO....this governor would be nuts to fill up casinos and hotels until testing is in place, which it's not yet.....but nuttier things have and will happen.

https://rt.live/
No plan in sight: Test troubles cloud Trump recovery effort
Coronavirus Testing Needs to Triple Before the U.S. Can Reopen, Experts Say
COVID-19/Coronavirus Real Time Updates With Credible Sources in US and Canada | 1Point3Acres

 

[Inthedetails]

They hope to appease in baby steps. jmo

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So why be angry if leadership is working to appease and make the situation work? I don't get the seeming glee to fight....when we all want the same thing. Nobody wants to get sick, nobody wants to get others sick (I hope), and nobody wants to be out of work. We all want a haircut.

I think division in the nation is being sown....and that division is the enemy (along with the virus), not each other. United, not Divided, States of America.

jmo

 

[Trino]

No, he said that. He said we can't go back to normal until there's a vaccine, and "the experts" agree that that will take 12 to 18 months, and some say much longer:

From my link:

"Realistically, COVID-19 will be here for the next 18 months or more. We will not be able to return to normalcy until we find a vaccine or effective medications," e said. "I know that's dreadful news to hear. How are people supposed to find work if this goes on in some form for a year and a half? Is all that economic pain worth trying to stop COVID-19? The truth is we have no choice."

We cannot return to normal until there's a vaccine.

Also, from Covid-19 vaccine in 18 months? Experts are skeptical. - CNN

Eighteen months might sound like a long time, but in vaccine years, it's a blink. That's the long end of the Trump administration's time window for developing a coronavirus vaccine, and some leaders in the field say this is too fast -- and could come at the expense of safety.

The estimated time made headlines last month, when Trump remarked at a televised Cabinet Room meeting with pharmaceutical executives that a vaccine could be ready in "three to four months." There, in front of TV cameras, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), poured cold water on Trump's estimate, saying it would be more like a year to a year and a half.

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Ever since, that estimate of 12-18 months has become gospel, its appearance in media stories ubiquitous. But medical experts and scientists with firsthand experience developing vaccines are skeptical. "Tony Fauci is saying a year to 18 months -- I think that's optimistic," said Dr. Peter Hotez, a leading expert on infectious disease and vaccine development at Baylor College of Medicine. "Maybe if all the stars align, but probably longer." Dr. Paul Offit, the co-inventor of the successful rotavirus vaccine, put it more bluntly. "When Dr. Fauci said 12 to 18 months, I thought that was ridiculously optimistic," he told CNN. "And I'm sure he did, too."

And, then, there's my brother who doesn't believe in vaccines. He's already said, "No thanks."

 

[Trino]

I'm not disagreeing with you, the current situation is not sustainable and our leaders understand that.

However I feel that there will be some citizens who disagree.

The current situation IMO is not sustainable because there's such chaos, no coordination between the federal gov't and states. No real national plan. One day you hear something. The next day it's different. Just utter chaos.

 

[musicaljoke]

Massachusetts
Most COVID-19 deaths now at nursing homes - CommonWealth Magazine

Going forward, there has got to be a new and safer protocol for nursing homes and seniors' residences.We don't see stats from influenza, but I imagine there would be similar results. People are bringing disease into nursing homes that the residents can't survive.

I'm interesting in hearing about any new protocols that are coming forward. This seems to be such a widespread problem that few countries are ahead of the game. Is there a country anywhere that is doing well in this regard?

 

[Victoria Chambers]

We are not in some communist country that might haul peaceful protestors off to jail. Thank goodness! At least they are not looting and vandalizing.

But you are in a country where some people are clearly not concerned with the global attempt to stop the spread of a deadly virus. And since the death toll is still rising in your country, does that not anger you?? Like more families losing loved ones does not matter to you so long as nothing is being vandalised? Why can't those protestors get an online petition set up?? Because more than merely understanding, I actually feel their frustrations. My sympathies lay elsewhere however X

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Speaking to the protesters etc. who are ignoring guidelines and gathering in clusters. What is your plan if you catch Covid? Call 911 if you become critical? Burden your Local Health Care? Or just stay at home and die for your cause

I guess it was inevitable.

Last night I had a VIVID dream that I had the disease.

In reality, I don't know what I would do. I need to think about? I live alone. I do know that I really need to get my a$$ in gear and change my state's Health Care Directive person of contact who is outdated to be that person.

One thing that I do have is a Zacurate pulse oximeter which I purchased on February 23rd due to this thread and Dr. Campbell videos which he pushed to have in your normal medicine cabinet as you would have with a thermometer. (It measures your oxygen saturation in addition to pulse rate) I have tested myself many days at different times to learn my "normal" as it does differ at wake up vs. during the day vs. late at night with my condition.

It was $19.95 off Amazon when I purchased. It is now listing as $39.99 on Amazon. This is one of the reasons that I am SO grateful for @Amonet and others here... the prices for so much are so inflated now for so many things. Our new normal is here as to inflation of prices on so many things.

I also downloaded the spreadsheet that Dr. Campbell posted the link for this past week to document symptoms daily ... just in case to make easier for docs and others as to onset of symptoms/severity.

As I believe, prepare for the worst, and expect the best!

Be safe all!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Agree to disagree. Regardless, I don't think anyone disputes that there are plenty of people, "expert" and otherwise, who are against opening the entire economy up in the very short term. And that's what started the conversation -- i.e., my opinion that our leaders are starting to realize that the current situation is not sustainable even in the very short term.

I think that this quote by Dr Emanuel is scary.

How are people supposed to find work if this goes on in some form for a year and a half? Is all that economic pain worth trying to stop COVID-19? The truth is we have no choice.

He thinks that people being off of work for another year or more is acceptable. I disagree.

Ezekiel Emanuel: U.S. Must Stay Locked Down For 12-18 Months Until There's A Vaccine

 

[CSIDreamer]

Too bad they couldn't protest w/o gathering in groups of more than 5. Surely there are wiser methods of voicing their concerns. Protesting in lumps of humanity undermines their message and they just look like covidiots.

Had they spread 6 feet apart in groups of 5 I suspect people would still have found fault. Jmo

 

[tresir2012]

A lot of us are concerned about the reopening of society because we are in a high-risk group due to age and/or other risk factors. We are also realistic enough to know that the reopening of society will happen, regardless of our opinion as to how we would like to see it play out.

So my thoughts right now are turning to public policy regarding those who will be called back to work in their work settings, ending their remote work options. I think that our state senators and Congress members should be contacted, in their Washington and district offices. In Ohio, our two senators are Rob Portman and Sherod Brown. Congress members depend on your district. But the district offices of all of our federal elected officials in our region of the state are pretty responsive to their constituents. Also the Governor's Office and state and local health offices should be contact. And, of course, state legislators. The issue is a public policy, temporary if necessary, that includes high-risk individuals in the time of COVID-19 and offers them some kind of disability status so that they don't have to re-enter the work environment when it isn't safe to do so. States have the option of adding to the American with Disabilities Act, so that is one possible public policy avenue. The ADA only applies to organizations of a certain size, though. So perhaps separate legislation would be best. Employers would have to allow remote working options for these employees, and if certain employees are not able to work remotely due to the nature of their work, then other options should be available. But they shouldn't have to lose their job if they have run out of sick or vacation days, or don't have them to begin with.

There are a lot of great minds here on Websleuths, and I am sure that we could draft a public policy recommendation with various options to protect high-risk employees as the country and our states and regions reopen over the weeks ahead. No matter what we think about the push to reopen, it is going to happen.

I am not happy about Governor DeWine in Ohio saying that the burden of making decisions about going back to work will be up to each individual. I think there should be a policy that protects certain employees and a way to enforce that policy.

Right now the federal government is saying if you over 65 then you need to stay at home during the reopening, until phase 3. But there is no public policy to support this directive. I don't think we should leave it up to vulnerable citizens and their employers.

I think Governor DeWine of Ohio did a great job in taking proactive measures to flatten the curve and make sure our hospitals won't overwhelmed. But now we need to take the next step during reopening and protect the most vulnerable.

If any of you want to share your thoughts on what might be included in sound public policy at this time, please share your ideas.

MOO.

I think anyone over 70 or with an underlying health condition should stay at home/be allowed to work from home where necessary. I also think the examples of Denmark, Spain, Germany and NY should be watched to see what happens to their figures when they start to reopen society, and follow what they do, if it works. Some US states with low deaths may not actually have closed, or have reopened, like Florida beaches for example. Do we know which states, if any, have no lockdown or just recommendations?

 

[CSIDreamer]

A lot of us are concerned about the reopening of society because we are in a high-risk group due to age and/or other risk factors. We are also realistic enough to know that the reopening of society will happen, regardless of our opinion as to how we would like to see it play out.

So my thoughts right now are turning to public policy regarding those who will be called back to work in their work settings, ending their remote work options. I think that our state senators and Congress members should be contacted, in their Washington and district offices. In Ohio, our two senators are Rob Portman and Sherod Brown. Congress members depend on your district. But the district offices of all of our federal elected officials in our region of the state are pretty responsive to their constituents. Also the Governor's Office and state and local health offices should be contact. And, of course, state legislators. The issue is a public policy, temporary if necessary, that includes high-risk individuals in the time of COVID-19 and offers them some kind of disability status so that they don't have to re-enter the work environment when it isn't safe to do so. States have the option of adding to the American with Disabilities Act, so that is one possible public policy avenue. The ADA only applies to organizations of a certain size, though. So perhaps separate legislation would be best. Employers would have to allow remote working options for these employees, and if certain employees are not able to work remotely due to the nature of their work, then other options should be available. But they shouldn't have to lose their job if they have run out of sick or vacation days, or don't have them to begin with.

There are a lot of great minds here on Websleuths, and I am sure that we could draft a public policy recommendation with various options to protect high-risk employees as the country and our states and regions reopen over the weeks ahead. No matter what we think about the push to reopen, it is going to happen.

I am not happy about Governor DeWine in Ohio saying that the burden of making decisions about going back to work will be up to each individual. I think there should be a policy that protects certain employees and a way to enforce that policy.

Right now the federal government is saying if you over 65 then you need to stay at home during the reopening, until phase 3. But there is no public policy to support this directive. I don't think we should leave it up to vulnerable citizens and their employers.

I think Governor DeWine of Ohio did a great job in taking proactive measures to flatten the curve and make sure our hospitals won't overwhelmed. But now we need to take the next step during reopening and protect the most vulnerable.

If any of you want to share your thoughts on what might be included in sound public policy at this time, please share your ideas.

MOO.

No ideas yet. But I love your proactive thinking!

 

[tresir2012]

Had they spread 6 feet apart in groups of 5 I suspect people would still have found fault. Jmo

Maybe the groups of 5 were one family? I am thinking of the Costco picture of people queuing that was not what it seemed.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

We all want a haircut.

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You’ve stumbled upon something I think we could all agree on!

 

[ilovewings]

And, then, there's my brother who doesn't believe in vaccines. He's already said, "No thanks."

I don't get vaccines but I will get the vaccine for this horrible disease. The benefit far outweighs the risks.

 

[NuttMegg]

But you are in a country where some people are clearly not concerned with the global attempt to stop the spread of a deadly virus. And since the death toll is still rising in your country, does that not anger you?? Like more families losing loved ones does not matter to you so long as nothing is being vandalised? Why can't those protestors get an online petition set up?? Because more than merely understanding, I actually feel their frustrations. My sympathies lay elsewhere however X

I'm surprised the dangerous (IMO) face-to-face, no-mask protesting during a declared pandemic, with some >40k individuals already losing their lives in this country, would be allowed by the first amendment, which has all sorts of exceptions like inciting to imminent lawless action, and speech that is dangerous and false. These people are endangering the rest of us, the same as if they were throwing acid into a crowd, or falsely shouting fire in a crowded area. IMO

 

[Wicked Strong]

But you are in a country where some people are clearly not concerned with the global attempt to stop the spread of a deadly virus. And since the death toll is still rising in your country, does that not anger you?? Like more families losing loved ones does not matter to you so long as nothing is being vandalised? Why can't those protestors get an online petition set up?? Because more than merely understanding, I actually feel their frustrations. My sympathies lay elsewhere however X

I personally am not ruled by fear and judging by social media in my state most are agreement. It is, IMO, each countries responsibility to act accordingly to their country, not globally responsible for everyone. Most people that are positive for the virus don't die. I'm a high risk individual, but it's not my states responsibility to keep me safe, it's up to me. But our economy, cities, businesses are dying. I am more angered by the fear that situation presents, without economy or money, what's left? We can't rely on government or the world to take care of our needs.

MOO only MOO

 

[tresir2012]

I think that this quote by Dr Emanuel is scary.

He thinks that people being off of work for another year or more is acceptable. I disagree.

Ezekiel Emanuel: U.S. Must Stay Locked Down For 12-18 Months Until There's A Vaccine

I don't think there will be a vaccine and that is how we have to think going forward. There will still be a risk of catching it and we still do not know if those who get over it or get it mildly will be immune either. Why isn't this known yet? That's what I don't understand.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I’m looking for a new one too. First two I called were not taking new patients. I have a list of 5 recommendations from friends. Mine closed their doors last week.

I left a message for my own doctor and got a beyond rude return call the week before last. I'm looking for a new doctor as well. I've known for several years I needed to make a break. The timing is horrible. Jmo