Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #54

Discussion in 'Coronavirus - Covid-19' started by Amonet, Jan 17, 2020.

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  1. Chelly

    Chelly SW New Mexico

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    Addressing a few posts upthread regarding people admitted to hospital with covid, claiming they have self-isolated and haven't left home.

    OK....well, something or someone brought that virus into the home. There is no other way in he!! they picked up the disease without contact. It doesn't mysteriously sneak in through a crack in the door......moo!
     
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  2. The Night Watchman

    The Night Watchman Former Member

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    Hard things to hear.

    Doctors and scientists are discovering two common characteristics among many of those who are losing their battle with COVID-19 — they are overweight or obese and suffer from a chronic disease. Ninety four percent of deaths from COVID-19 are in those with an underlying age-related chronic disease, mostly caused by excess body fat.

    What do most chronic diseases and obesity have in common? They are diet-related diseases. Our modern diet — rich in processed starchy, sugary foods and low in protective health-promoting foods — globally kills 11 million people a year, making it the single biggest cause of death, and it is preventable. In America, 60 percent of our calories come from ultra-processed products, which contribute to the rates of obesity, diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, some cancers, unhealthy aging, and more.

    The link between coronavirus deaths and those french fries - The Boston Globe
     
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    pocketaccent Well-Known Member

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    (Long article. South Korea seems like heaven to me at the moment. Can the USA achieve what South Korea did? )

    Parts of Asia that relaxed restrictions without a resurgence in coronavirus cases did these three things

    KEY POINTS
    • South Korea and Hong Kong successfully relaxed pandemic restrictions without having another rise in cases by data sharing, using targeted testing and contact tracing.
    • The varying results of efforts across Asia to contain the virus and reopen society present policy options and perhaps lessons for countries behind on the outbreak’s timeline.
    • Public health specialists who spoke with CNBC said they’re not confident U.S. officials are taking note of what’s working and not working in Asia.
    The tulips were blooming in Seoul and Dr. Jerome Kim was strolling in his government-issued KF-94 mask with his wife when he got a text message alerting him to a confirmed coronavirus infection in his neighborhood.
    ...
    Kim, who serves as the Director-General of the International Vaccine Institute, clicked on the alert on his phone and it directed him to the municipal site, which detailed the infected individual’s whereabouts over the past several days.

    The individual, who was anonymous, had visited a local supermarket on a recent Saturday between 10 a.m. and 10:15 a.m. to buy chilies, which was confirmed with CCTV footage and credit card transaction data, Kim recalled.
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    That alert was one of dozens, if not hundreds, that millions of South Koreans have received since the coronavirus arrived in the country on Jan. 20, Kim said. He added that such sharing of information, despite its data privacy implications, has helped to keep the infection rate down even as businesses reopen.
    ...
    From data sharing and border closures to targeted contact tracing, some policies have proven more effective than others. Countries that were hit later by the virus are at an earlier stage in cycle of the outbreak and have a distinct advantage: insight into what succeeded and failed in other countries in Asia.

    However, public health specialists who spoke with CNBC said they’re not confident U.S. officials are taking note of what’s working and what has failed overseas. They predict the virus will likely bounce back in the U.S. as it has in Singapore and Japan.
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    Since the South Korean government never enforced a full lockdown, voluntary compliance has been key, Kim said. The government has encouraged employers to let nonessential personnel work from home, Kim said, and distributes free equipment like masks to every household that requests it.

    Government messaging has been clear, consistent and mostly communicated by health officials rather than politicians, he said, which was key to mobilizing the public.

    “Koreans have lived under the threat of war since the Korean War and this is like a war,” Kim said. “We’re going to do what we need to do to get through it. This is just part of living here, so people got used to it. The government pulled people together.”

    Watching Americans protest social distancing requirements outside state capitals across the U.S., Kim said he wasn’t confident U.S. citizens could be as disciplined as South Korea. Mixed messaging from the White House and state leaders about economic reopening has not helped the public, he said.
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  6. Chelly

    Chelly SW New Mexico

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    I respect what South Korea has achieved during this epidemic. Also admire what appears to be South Korea's advanced technology. However, I would never say that "South Korea seems like heaven to me" . Nothing could take away my love for the U.S. and the little corner of NM that is my home.
     
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    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    Well, yes, but since the average time between when that head of lettuce was picked, taken to the packaging plant, wrapped, boxed and put on trucks and then driven to the grocery store refrigerated warehouse, and then to my store - and stocked, it's about 10 days here where I live. Maybe you've got a faster system, but California produces an awful lot of lettuce and that's how long it takes to get to the store.

    Virions do not live outside the human body. The oldest known surface transmission is about 7 days - on stainless steel.

    The CDC notes that coronaviruses, as a group of viruses, generally survive poorly on food products and packaging. So, it would be doubtful that it would live longer in a poor environment (from its POV) than on its favorite environments (metal). The structural integrity of this virus is weak (it falls apart easily, metals help it keep stable and enough get support from the metal structure to maintain some integrity). Foods do not have this strength and stability.

    The Lancet and JAMA articles on which this is based, along with more information about CoVid, food, water, surfaces, etc are here:

    How Long Does the Coronavirus Last on Surfaces?

    This is why, while the virus ends up on carpeting, like food, it can't manage the kind of "landing" it needs (stable hard surface) to resist falling apart. I know it sounds odd, but this isn't a bacterium with its own means of living on food. It's a virion, with no means of keeping itself together (at all) until it enters humans through their respiratory systems. It does not enter through digestive systems.

    I'm not even sure how you'd get lettuce to yield up its virions in aerosolized form, so that the virions could do their thing in a body. Simply rinsing should be enough. I understand that some people want soap or some other rinse agent (I use one formulated for sterilizing equipment that is rated for use on food machinery, not soap, but not on lettuce).

    So far, there aren't good studies on the effects of cold (below 38F) on SARS-CV-2 but it's possible it can survive freezing temperatures (like some other viruses) so wash hands after handling frozen food.
     
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    Army of contact tracers in California seek to stomp out coronavirus
    LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- The state is ramping up a program to identify people who are potentially exposed to the novel coronavirus but are unaware of it.

    On Wednesday, 3,000 employees of the California Department of Public Health began their training as disease detectives.

    They are learning how to backtrack the steps of a newly infected person and reach out to everyone that person potentially exposed. From close contacts such as roommates, to huge crowds if the infected person happened to join the throngs at the beach.

    The contact tracers would request that the contacts quarantine for 14 days and watch for symptoms.
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  9. Trino

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    The US is obviously not into low cost job manufacturing. Just cannot imagine anyone opening a clothing manufacturing operation, for example. Toys, electronics, phones?
    You are very correct in that many believe when businesses open life will return to normal. These same individuals appear to also be ignoring the warning that the virus most likely will return. Hard times are coming, yet so many do not realize it. Just hope they've saved enough for their future.
     
  10. Sunny123

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    I know of one person (Florida) whom was hospitalized, and is now doing fine. MOO
     
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  11. 10ofRods

    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    Seems to be working. Out of 40 million people, we only had 11 deaths yesterday. That's coming into line with our goals for going on to a new stage of soft reopening.

    I wanted to point out that the IMHE has added new dashboards that are more to the point of their own mission (to assess the delivery of healthcare). It shows how the testing has a negative correlation with deaths (the more we contact trace and test, the fewer the deaths).

    The first six cases in my area were cruise ship passengers. I knew when they stuck them on the military bases along the coast and in Sonoma area that we were in for it - and we were. About half our cases apparently track back to those cruise ship passengers. The other half appeared first in Silicon Valley, within the business community, among adults who had been in contact with Asian and European travelers, but those contacts did not always lead to a source:

    1st US COVID-19 death was 57-year-old Santa Clara County woman, probe finds

    AFAIK, they still haven't found the source for that first US CoVid death (if it's still first - "firsts" almost always get earlier in situations like this...)
     
  12. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Pediatric Nurse Georgia

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    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    And that would probably take 15-20 minutes (depending on what we were heating).

    Higher temps kill faster. So, boiling water (212F at sea level) would have an almost instantaneous result (although pouring it out of the kettle probably reduces it to 202F or so, according to our own home experiments).
     
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    Having trouble finding the original post wrt
    UK covid/race/skin tone

    But Dr Cambell's youtube video outlines this and several other issues, 'Thursday 7th May, Late Global Update'
    (I'm unable to post youtube links from my I pad, maybe Dixie will post it later?)

    UK coronavirus: Black people four times more likely to die from Covid-19 than white people, ONS data shows - CNN

    Are some ethnic groups more vulnerable to COVID-19 than others?

    Coronavirus (COVID-19) related deaths by ethnic group, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

    ETA
    Pediatric Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome

    NEJM Journal Watch: Summaries of and commentary on original medical and scientific articles from key medical journals
     
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  15. Bravo

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    I was tested yesterday. I am not ill but it's required for me to return to work. I had the throat swab which was not so bad. I had an appt. and I was in and out in about 20 min. Brief medical history. Who I was exposed to back in March. Swab and out the door I went. I agreed to stay on at 30 hrs. a month with a very light case load. Reports I can do in Office or from home. Piece of sanity lol.
     
  16. 24Roses

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    Iowa news today: May 7: 12 additional COVID-19 deaths in Iowa, 655 more cases
    655 new confirmed cases today and 12 more have passed away. We now have 11.059 confirmed cases and 231 have passed away.
    4,266 have recovered. IDPH is now reporting cases for a different time period (again) and have updated their website (again) to be more detailed. IMO-they website is more difficult to use though. Iowa COVID-19 Information
    Governor’s office: 'Some COVID-19 test samples may have been damaged’
    Reynolds signals shift in Iowa’s COVID-19 response strategy
    Iowa religious leaders stay united in decision against in-person services
    Iowa schools can start early, but only if days are ‘extra’
     
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    Right on. That's good news, Bravo.
    You're out of limbo.
     
  19. COSCitizen

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    Yes. I had a pedicure in January before a trip. By the time I wanted another, I had already decided I was not willing to risk it. I feel for the salon technicians but ....
     
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    Well, I have not been feeling well this week. Started on Sunday with an attack of acid reflux (woke me up!). I said if I wasn't better today, I'd make a Dr's appt. No appetite, headache, stomach discomfort, some nausea. When I got to Dr, they had me wait outside b/c of the headache symptom. The Dr. called me back in full riot gear. Never saw a nurse at all. B/c of my headache, and low-grade temp (they took it 4 times!) and my job (Home day care provider), the Dr. strongly advised I get tested for Corona. It wasn't as unpleasant as I expected. Got a nasopharyngeal swab and a throat swab. She thinks the two together are most accurate.

    Do I think I have Corona? Not really, but how can one know? I don't have any cough or breathing issues. People are frequently presenting with gastric symptoms. So we shall see. The bad part for me: I can't work until the test comes back neg, so lots of people needing to find alternate day care for several days. I also help with a couple of elderly neighbors, so will not be able to do that either :*( Dr. thinks the test results should be back no later than Mon. Til then, I'm isolating in my master bedroom (has attached bath). Still not wanting to eat. I got an RX for Pepcid. Keep me in your prayers.
     
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