Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #60

Discussion in 'Coronavirus - Covid-19' started by Amonet, Jan 17, 2020.

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  1. anneg

    anneg Well-Known Member

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    I'm responding to the text in red bold above, regarding preventive measures. I just found this story:
    Vitamins to help fight COVID - and some might surprise you!

    "You might be asking, 'How much of these vitamins should I take?' One EVMS study on supplements to help fight COVID-19 suggests:
    • 500 mg of Vitamin C
    • 75 mg of Zinc
    • 1-2 mg of Melatonin
    • 1,000 IU of Vitamin D3
    And Dr. Marik recommends a low dose of 10 milligrams of Pepcid AC."

    Another article: Natural Remedies & Supplements for Coronavirus (COVID-19)

    I am taking vitamin D (2000 IU), melatonin (5 mg), and a multivitamin that contains C and zinc. I haven't tried Pepcid AC (famotidine). I'm up for taking anything that would help me if I got exposed, as long as it doesn't have significant side effects or would interact badly with other medicines I take.

    It would be great to compile a list of things to discuss with your doctor. You also mention NAC and nasal heparin, for instance.
     


  2. I'm Just Here

    I'm Just Here Well-Known Member

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    I don't think we are wrong in using caution. It makes sense to me when there is so little that is known about this virus. Does a person know how the virus will affect them? They may know of their personal health issues and so forth. I guess we need to make our own choices in what works for us. Throwing caution to the wind is risky but that is what they want. Wrong for me but I can't say it is wrong for them. I do feel it is wrong to bring in your even "allergy symptoms" self to a public bank! Unreal! I would think that all of the information known, such as mild symptons or in fact any symptoms would have been enough for those workers to question the possibility of it being Covid19! The very reason why the bank had been closed in the first place - it is still causing illness. We need to live with this virus and some of us fear it more than others. I believe there is a reason to fear the unkown. We have to adjust to how we function in our daily lives. Only we can know what is going to be right for ourselves. I will chose to stay away from certain public places, see my grandchildren, use a mask for myself and others when I feel it is needed. This could be something that doesn't work for another person. I do not want to get carelessly sick or spread it. I feel that wearing a face mask in some places and by keeping clean or certainly if I have any symptoms to question the possibility before giving the chance of Covid19 to strike out at others. My mother in law is setting up her own senior (84 years) birthday party, 20 people in June! She will be done with her chemo in a few days and is a high risk needless to explain. She is doing what she feels is right for her and her senior friends that agree are eager to visit finally. No, none of them have a death wish but things will be set up in an environment they agree on is comfortable and risk is minimal. The 20 people wear masks but only 5 at a time allowed, spread 6 feet apart in the house with open windows for 15 minutes to eat cake and coffee. Things are cleaned, people sent to sectioned outdoor seating, can leave or visit and next 5 come in until 20 have come and gone. Not sure what else she has planned out but gotta love her she is going to party! I think it is healthy for her to enjoy these people she loves, she made the set up and I am helping. She is smart, kind, loving and fair, retired nurse. Knows what she wants and enjoys life!
     
  3. LadyL

    LadyL Well-Known Member

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  4. anneg

    anneg Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. However, the Daily Mail story and video of Amanda don't mention him being off the ventilator this past weekend.

    ETA: Apparently he had a tracheostomy at the beginning of May. So I guess that means he is receiving oxygen that way instead of using a ventilator. I'll have to look that up to better understand it.
     
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  5. ilovewings

    ilovewings Well-Known Member

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    I hear ya, and I sympathize: I think for some (who are in denial to a certain extent), with stores and restaurants open, things look normal (except for people in masks)and signs all over the stores and restaurants about social distancing. You can almost believe everything is just like it was: after all, you can' t see the virus--- so you can pretend it doesn't exist and everything is just like it was before: But it isnt't. We are not out of the first wave and i believe the 2nd one is coming. Things could get ugly because this time people won't lock down.
     
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  6. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    Hugs to you too. I have my DH to commiserate with and he sees the same things I see. But he has to go to his office everyday and works at a cubicle in a big room where the windows don't open. His employer takes temps at the door and provides everyone 1 mask per week to wear for the entire week. But they do not require everyone to wear the masks at all times. They only have to wear them when lining up to pick up their lunch (provided free by the employer and everyone is banned from leaving to eat away from work now but DH takes his own lunch now to avoid the line up altogether). Or they have to wear a mask when in close contact in a group or in a smaller room with others, like for a board meeting. He says everyone takes them off while sitting at their cubicle desks, which is useless IMHO. And one of his co-workers is deaf and depends on reading lips, so DH has to take off his mask every time he needs to talk to that person.

    We have started sleeping in separate bedrooms and using separate bathrooms ever since he had to go back to the office-- they let him work from home for 6 weeks but then told him he had to go back in after that. We're hoping that if he gets it we might have a chance with us sleeping apart that I won't get infected before he develops symptoms and can be tested. But we're probably not doing enough because we are not completely quarantining him like the healthcare workers that are quarantining from their vulnerable family members. We tried it for a week and we can't. I need regular hugs and physical contact to get through this or I would lose my mind, LOL. I also can't avoid the shared parts of the house (living room/kitchen/home office) but I wash my hands and sanitize often touched surfaces constantly. I'm so busy cleaning and tending my garden these days I'm hardly posting on WS anymore, LOL.

    We do have plans in place for if one of us gets sick and we have to quarantine more fully. We have a room set up in our unfinished basement. If one of us gets sick we will sleep in a tent on an air mattress down there. There is a full bathroom in the basement and a second washer and dryer down there and we set up a mini kitchen with a microwave, fridge and coffeemaker. It won't be super comfortable (no bed and the only furniture is lawn chairs, LOL) but if someone has to quarantine down there for a couple weeks we can stock it with enough food and they can wash their own clothing and have their own bathroom. We would stay completely separate if one of us got it. Also there are no HVAC vents down there so we don't have to worry about it going through shared air ducts. I think we have thought of everything we need to hunker down for a good long while at home. But it's useless if the rest of the world insists on getting corona and spreading it around recklessly. I still have to grocery shop every 2 weeks (with full PPE). Some of DH's coworkers already got it early on in the pandemic. It's like a ticking time bomb. He's too young to retire and he loves his job. All his coworkers have young kids at home. Once this spreads through the kids going back to school or having parties it will spread to DH's coworkers and then it will likely spread to us via DH's job. Should I live as a prisoner in my own home, locked in one room and wearing a mask constantly around my DH because the world refuses to social distance/wear masks and my DH has to make a living to support us? No, it's impossible. What's so hard about asking people to wear masks and keep their distance in public? It's such a small request that could save many lives. I'm doing all I can to protect myself and those I love. Short of moving to New Zealand, I don't know what else to do except cry and pray. I've come to the point where I say: "Here I stand, I can do no other. God help me, Amen."

    MOO.

    ETA: Also meant to mention we are taking vitamin D. We watch Dr Campbell every night and we're keeping up to date on the research/new data as much as possible.
     
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  7. Tillicum

    Tillicum Well-Known Member

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    On the current trends dashboard for Ohio, the 24 hour reports of cases, deaths and hospitalizations are all lower than the 21 day averages. The 21 day average for ICU admissions is 17 but in the last 24 hours there are 40 ICU admissions. Any suggestions for why the spike in ICU admissions?
     
  8. Trino

    Trino Well-Known Member

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    I fully understand your concerns and doing everything possible to prevent this horrible virus from coming to your home. It's just amazing to me that so many believe the pandemic is over and is old news. What are they thinking? The US is still losing about 1000 people per day. In my state we just had a 31 yr old woman die of COVID-19 - no underlying health problems, and she wasn't in any facility. I don't know what it will take to get people to realize things are not back to normal. The virus is still with us.
     
  9. 10ofRods

    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    Exactly! Thank you so much for helping us. I read a study 3 years ago about Vitamin D as anti-viral and the doctor advised 5000 IU in times of stress or epidemic. And as far as I can tell, that's nowhere near a too-high dose of D3, so that's pretty much what I take - and I have only gotten sick when directly sneezed on several times! (In 3.5 years, actually). I just added C and zinc since this epidemic. I'm also taking NAC.

    I've been talking about the nasal heparin so much - and as I'm changing doctors, I get to ask questions about it up front. I haven't tried Pepcid either. I guess if I were going out more, I might. OTOH, one of its regular effects is to protect the stomach lining - so I do see the point.
     
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  10. jjenny

    jjenny Well-Known Member

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    I started to take pepcid since I have heartburn anyway. I take the regular dose. If covid symptoms strike, seems like one needs to up the dose. Suggestion is to take up to 280 mg if covid positive (so that is 4 of 20 mg famotidine tablet x 3 times a day), but some people were taking as low as 60 mg a day.
     
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    HongKongPhooey Well-Known Member

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    I am so pleased I went to the docs last year with aching legs. Bloods showed up extremely low vit D so I had been taking it for many months when I became ill with what I believe was the virus. I am so pleased I went for that check up.
     
  12. jjenny

    jjenny Well-Known Member

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    It takes a while for some people to end up in ICU. Right now people stay at home (they won't be admitted) unless they start having really severe symptoms.
     
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  13. MrX

    MrX Former Member

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    This is what one needs to do, because, at least in the U.S., we've shown that masks, distancing and contact tracing are not going to be used to a meaningful degree. Everyone is on their own here, so if you are going to where a mask, at least have the sense to wear one that protects you.

    I am one of the people that folks in this forum will probably despise. I work from home and my life revolves around going out to lunch and going to the bar at night. Our two months of lock up were pure torture for me, so I was the first one in line the minute my favorite establishments reopened. In some cases the precautions were implemented, per guidelines, in others it was more relaxed. I can tell you now, a month into my "old normal," things have reverted to the way they were. My lunch spot went from putting hot sauce in little cups, to just handing me the bottle. Hardly anyone at the bar wears masks, and we are packed in like sardines. It's joyous to be alive again.

    It may be easy to say, now, but "living" again is worth the risk. In my state less than 0.4% of the population has tested positive and of those positive case under 65, the death rate is 0.75%. This isn't exactly the Black Death.

    You are free to go out, with or with precautions, or to decide to hide under your bed, wrapped in plastic, until there is a cure. As long as I have a choice, I will keep living out in the world.

    (Prediction: "Covid Fear" totally evaporates when the weekly $600 bonus checks stop coming...)
     
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    Having worked from home since March, I do understand your need to socialise. Some days I find it hard to be motivated or positive. I miss day to day social interaction with people outside my family.

    But, almost three months on and tonight with what feels like yet another Covid relapse - aching legs and back, fatigue, itchy eyes - I wish I had not been quite so complacent in early March.

    At the same time, I am glad I had it, survived it, no longer fear it.

    It's all quite the head-you know what.
     
  15. WideOpen

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    I had posted a couple days ago that we had two young members of family who were waiting for test results to come back due to being exposed for an extended period of time to a positive Covid person. My youngest daughter came back negative (she is at college -off campus) yesterday and my DIL is expecting her test result by tomorrow. DIL is Montessori teacher-they just went back on Monday~The experience of having someone even need to be tested challenges all of your habits over again and is scary.

    Hugs @Gardner1850 what you are doing is exhausting and I would say the isolation and quarentining has been the hardest thing that I have ever had to experience. I have had my 78yo mother living with me until just a bit over a week ago and was locked down from early on following along with WS here. The planning, stocking, shopping, cleaning, prep, worry and cost was never ending. I was at my breaking point at Easter. Not being able to cuddle and spend time with my grandchildren was getting to me deeply and I was breaking emotionally.

    I became more afraid of the emotional issues I was developing and decided I needed to go out and take steps to find yet a newer normal, where proper PPE worked for me. It included my grandchildren and finding ways to break the grip of fear the Covid had on my mind. When I see the protestors out there shoulder to shoulder without masks and the potential exchanges, it makes me angry. I also feel lied to by Fauci and others who we trusted early on to give us the facts. I'm angry and that is better than being so frightened of the virus.

    I do take about 10 supplements and have a lot on hand. My favorite natural website earth clinic has a good amount of info to to with the info given out my the good doctors we have followed here from day 1. WS has been such a family to me through this all. Thanks everyone! God bless you all and keep you well.

    jmo
     
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  16. jjenny

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    It's not worth the risk for me because I am in a high risk group. And if people start acting as if everything was back to normal, covid cases will rise-they already are rising in many states. Hospitals will overflow with covid patients. Living again is worth the risk, unless you end up dead. We still have no vaccine, we are low on a remdesivir, and people are already acting as if they are done with the virus. The problem is, virus isn't done with us.
     
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    local splashpad (limit 10 people at a time) is opening this weekend and public pool on July 6 (with restrictions)
    I don't have a kid but if I did, I don't think I'd be using it
     
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    Omg!
     
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    Drove around downtown San Diego today to check it out. Most of it is still closed, with tons of places boarded up. It felt surreal.
    All the hotels and banks closed and boarded up, most restaurants as as well, still closed.
    FYI
     
  20. I'm Just Here

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    We are on our own to deal with our choice of safety or none. I don't see any reason to shame others for wanting to not wear a mask in some places. I try to stay out of some places or do what I feel is safer for me. I do not like the idea that some people do not need to wear a mask in certain work environments. Be respectful to customers or co workers. This mask wearing can be uncomfortable I think. It is hard to demand everyone wears it all day long at work since they have a different view about everything. The person may even feel like they can't function anymore. My husband is careful, very caring for others but that wearing a mask all day, I think he would tear it off before the day was over! However, he does not act like Covid19 is gone. Wears a mask in many places he feels as needed. Avoids some public places he doesn't want to attend. His job is mostly outside in a large open building or he is alone driving. A few of his younger co workers enjoy bars. There was a false alarm from a person he works with - they attended a bar and had Covid symptoms so the bar was informed but the test turned negative. I can't imagine close office workers not wearing masks. I imagine even on my husbands job the workers use the office space off and on. There could even be spreading in the large building if someone is coughing. My husband likes his job and no one wears masks. I guess everyone is just doing the job and no complaints in the no mask wearing. I know what my risk is living with him but I am not putting myself in a bubble. I am on the I DO NOT want to get the virus either but the being so fearful was slowly killing me as a person. I am not going to live like that, no way. Stress was so high it made me sick and changed who I am even. Take care WS friends!
     
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