Discussion in 'Coronavirus - Covid-19' started by Amonet, Jan 17, 2020.
There is no easy answer IMO.
Ironically, I'm the other side of the coin now and will need to advise managers how to handle this.
Maybe it will be better than we fear. Let's hope
Here to. Just an example of how only virtual doesn't work for all students. Also we have a large segment of kids that really need the school lunch.
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Accurate test results depend on a lot of factors, but timing of the test itself is critical. If tested on day one of symptoms with a PCR test, the false negative rate is nearly 40%. To me, it seems useless to run out and test someone on day one of symptoms and think that a negative result should make anyone feel safer.
In the case of testing known close contacts, the wait is even longer before a test would have a decent chance of being accurate.
In healthcare where I work, you’re not considered a true negative until a PCR says so on day 5+ of symptoms OR day 10+ post-exposure if you have no symptoms. Anything less is a waste of testing IMO.
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In an freakishly healthy world maybe. Right this minute I have a headache. Does that mean I should quatantine for 10+ days? I don't think the boss man would buy it.
That is truly scary.
How do they deal with an inconclusive test? I have a friend who was positive, his wife was negative and son tested inconclusive twice.
In other news, they had a blood drive at work, if you give blood now they will do an antibody test and you'll get the results 2 weeks later.
as of 8/21/2020
573,139 Cases Reported
115,843 Estimated* Active Cases
446,030 Estimated* Recoveries
Counties Reporting Cases
251 of 254
By August 15, the US had 700 incidents in which CoVid showed up in schools. Teacher tracks closures, cases, deaths in own database.
Same article is in the Washington Post, but the one above has no paywall. I think.
700 different schools, and it was only August 15 when that was published - one week in.
We are doing takeout. However we are located in a bedroom community where most people live in houses on acreage, very spread out. We moved here to bring our three horses home to our own land. That was 20 years ago.
We have a lot of agriculture here, and are known as the avocado capital of the world.
You wouldn't think of any part of San Diego being like that, but it's true.
All Mom and pop businesses, except for the regular drive throughs like McDonald's and Burger King.
My point is.... We do not have density housing, so to get to our restaurant, most people have to take winding country roads.
It's not a quick 5 minute drive.
We are hanging in there because we have good food, reasonable prices and great ratings and reputation. Without our large patio, we would have had to close.
We also hosted a ton of wedding rehearsal dinners for the wedding venues out here and lots of life celebrations. Also, strong catering sales for parties at the big houses.
All of that has stopped.
You're on the right track. However, you missed the part where symptoms don't show up even in the sickest people until well after they have been transmitting.
No one should wait for symptoms and then "run out" for testing. It's too late.
Kinda amusing about self-check. When it first appeared, i.e. think Walmart, there were those who were very opposed, said they would insist on a personal checker. Well, since the pandemic, most have changed their tune.
Florida (West Coast) My son attends a small private school, and every child was required to meet with the teacher at school to discuss the start of school. We had decided to keep our son home for e-learning, and am fortunate that I am able to be home. His class (10th grade) normally has 22 students, however the teacher said that there will be 11 in class students. They are seated every other cubicle, and they all are required to complete schoolwork on a laptop. All students are doing all of their assignments on the computer, and click submit when complete. This way, it is the same at home as in the classroom. The teacher and assistant can communicate with students at home via email, messaging or a video chat if needed. Each student is required to have their own hand sanitizer, disinfecting wipes at their cubicle. The teachers are fearful, but are really doing a good job. They are staggering arrival and departure times, and using additional doors. For example, my sons classroom has a door that will be used just for his class. They are lucky, because there are only 80 students, and they don't change classes.
The point is that tests aren’t giving an accurate result until several days into symptoms. I didn’t miss anything. It doesn’t change the facts. It’s sort of like having unprotected sex tonight and expecting a pregnancy test to be accurate tomorrow or even next week. It takes time for the hormone to become detectable before the test is positive, despite the fact that you may be very much pregnant and symptomatic prior to the test being positive. But if testing negative before the test would be accurate makes some folks feel better, so be it.
We re-test inconclusive results and continue quarantine in the meantime if indicated. It’s possible a 14 day quarantine would be up post-exposure before a definitive negative result came back, in which case we discontinue testing because the quarantine period is over anyway.
We don’t generally quarantine for a headache alone, though it does depend on the specifics of the situation. If it’s someone who never has headaches, generally feels not great, has a headache, and works directly with patients, that is likely handled differently from a staff member who has a history of migraines or allergy related headaches, or didn’t sleep well the night before and has stress headaches, otherwise feels fine, or doesn’t work directly with patients. We have a nurse on call 24/7 who assesses every staff member who answers “yes” to any question on our screening tool used prior to entering the building daily. It’s not perfect, but so far, we have zero cases of staff to patient transmission and zero cases of staff who got it from work.
Can just envision the lawsuits, despite probably doing the right thing.
This might belong in one of the sub-threads - IDK. But I’ve been giving some thought to the holidays. Normally, my siblings and I each host a holiday for the 16 or so family members who come. On Thanksgiving, we always draw names for Christmas gifts. So I’ve proposed that each family unit join a zoom get-together to virtually draw names on Thanksgiving. (We will do a dry run ahead of time to be sure everyone can manage the zoom thing.) Then, 3 or 4 days before Christmas each person delivers their gift to the doorstep of whoever’s name they drew so it has time to quarantine. On Christmas, we will all get together via zoom to open our gifts.
It’s better than nothing. It’s the only way that number of people can safely spend a holiday together, anyway.