Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #99

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  1. Cool Cats

    Cool Cats Well-Known Member

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    Don't do the crime if ya can't do the time.

    Don't do the horse meds if ya can't do the side effects.
     
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  2. 10ofRods

    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    Sounds like Delta has arrived (I bet we'll see those studies out of Israel soon).

    Now the FDA is waffling on allowing us to get booster shots. Talking about reducing it to a microdose. I think I'll get mine before anything else happens.

    Also, making rapid antigen testing a thing (cheap and available) needs to be done. I would guess that Delta is behind the uptick in LA county (especially. in the schools, which just started back).

    Did Israeli kids just go back to school I wonder? Unvaccinated, asymptomatic Delta carriers interacting maskless with older double vaccinated people is probably not the best scenario.

    We do have to disentangle how much is Delta and how much is waning immunity (and what the best predictors of that might be - and what to do!)
     
  3. Skigh

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    It is not almost all Astra Zeneca in the U.K. Under 40's have been mainly been given Pfizer.
     
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    I am still trying to figure out why people are so against the vaccine. It is a shot, get it, move on.
     
  5. Cool Cats

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    Why some people don't want a Covid-19 vaccine

    It's not about the shot for many it's about Freedom. Freedom from vaccine mandates and Freedom from government interference.

    The Covid vaccine is becoming something of a culture war on social media, with many online commentators claiming that the vaccine hesitant are simply ignorant or selfish. But psychologists who specialise in medical decision-making argue these choices are often the result of many complicating factors that need to be addressed sensitively, if we are to have any hope of reaching population-level immunity.

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    Most people hesitant about taking the vaccine do not have anti-scientific views like the small minority of anti-vaccine protesters.




     
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    <modsnip: Quoted post was removed>

    Laying in hospital beds some of these anti-vaxxers are begging Doctors for the vaccine, for themselves, and told it's too late.

    Also, many anti-vaxxers (from their hospital beds and hooked up to oxygen) go on social media and beg people to get the vaccine.

    Vaccine Refusers Don’t Get to Dictate Terms Anymore

    People who opt out of shots shouldn’t expect their employers, health insurers, and fellow citizens to accommodate them.
     
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  7. jjenny

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    I already gotten my Moderna booster (my condition is on cdc list). I wasn't sure if should wait or get it, but I decided to get it now-I want my antibodies in tip top shape. Let FDA and CDC waffle, I am boostered.
     
  8. jjenny

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    Vaccine will be completely useless after they are infected and in the hospital bed. If they are begging for a vaccine then, they have a complete misunderstanding of what the vaccine is good for.
     
  9. Cool Cats

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    But when a non-vaccinated person recovers from their Covid infection, testing negative, they are advised to get vaccinated.

    How long do they have to wait? Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson recovered from their Covid infections and subsequently, after X amount of time, got their vaccines.
     
  10. jjenny

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    There has been some conflicting information. The recent study out of Israel suggested that natural immunity is actually very good against delta. People in the US are still advised to get vaccinated after they got infected-not sure how soon after the infection. Initially those infected were told to wait 3 months. Not sure if they are even asked to wait now. But if you are infected and then get vaccinated, supposedly you get even stronger immunity.
     
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    Chapman University sees COVID-19 outbreak as in-person classes resume

    In-person classes are back at Chapman University in Orange County, and more than 200 positive coronavirus cases have been identified among students.

    Many roommates are isolating and students are being placed in different locations as school officials are trying to figure out what caused the outbreak.
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    The outbreak comes with 89% of students vaccinated.
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    “I have three roommates, two of them got COVID,” Wharton said. “I think it’s mostly because of the Greek life parties are out and about, orientation week is kind of crazy.”

    Student Kris Cruse also complained that social gatherings were a problem.

    “People are not wearing masks at any of the parties, and they are all very close, very small spaces usually,” Cruse said.
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  12. Cool Cats

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    Las Vegas store requires proof-of-horse photo to deter customers seeking ivermectin for COVID-19

    Store associate Shelly Smith told the outlet that demand for ivermectin began to rise months ago, and that's when she put up a sign warning customers that ivermectin can be dangerous to humans.

    She even told an older man visiting the store who explained to her his wife wanted him to be on an "ivermectin plan" that it was not safe for him to take.

    "And he says, 'Well, we've been taking it and my only side effect is I can't see in the morning.''

    "That's a big side effect, so you probably shouldn't take it," she said.

    All this led her to put up a second sign demanding a proof-of-horse photo.

    The sign itself says: "Ivermectin will only be sold to horse owners *Must show pic of you and your horse*".
     

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    Israeli kids just went back to school - on Wednesday (1st September). So, there will be more to their story in the weeks ahead.


    Israel reopened its schools on Wednesday after the summer break, but ten per cent of students missed the first day of class.

    Of the 2.4 million children due to attend Israeli schools from kindergarten to high school, 250,000 were kept home on the first day of school, said the education ministry.

    Some 90,000 of them were infected with COVID-19 or in quarantine, a ministry spokeswoman told AFP.

    Another 150,000 were either in cities with high virus rates, or enrolled in classes which did not open due to low vaccination rates.

    Israel starts new school year amid surge in coronavirus cases
     
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    Really interesting watching our situation in Australia. Things we are hearing on TV news this morning (Saturday morning here).

    NSW says its going to open up international travel once they reach a certain vaccinated rate (I think 80% fully vaccinated). There are indications that our country's PM is going to let them. No matter how many community cases they have at the time.

    Victoria is saying it is going to introduce vaccine passports. If you don't have one, you don't get into venues. Their Premier is saying he is not going to keep locking down the state to protect the unvaccinated (once there are enough vaccines for everyone).

    Waiting to hear the other states weigh into the debate. What would happen with regard to quarantine, etc. If people decide to venture to NSW and then fly out of (and back into) the country.

    Overall, I don't think we have hospital capacity for escalating covid cases.
     
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    I protest! I demand my freedom!

    All cheekiness aside, there were studies early on, that indicated a beneficial effect from ivermectin. However, the required dose for humans was too high to be safe. Some Latin American countries included ivermectin in their treatment protocols.

    But, I am not endorsing horse wormer as a covid treatment or prophylaxis, just saying that this didn't come out of nowhere.

    DEFINE_ME
     
  16. Cool Cats

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    No publicly funded health care here but Covid Vaccines are free. Not sure if insurers are billed.
     
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    Ivermectin Uses, Side Effects & Warnings - Drugs.com

    What is ivermectin?
    Ivermectin is an anti-parasite medication.

    Ivermectin is used to treat infections in the body that are caused by certain parasites.

    Ivermectin is approved for use in humans to treat intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis.

    Ivermectin is currently being investigated as a treatment for coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, which is the virus that causes COVID-19. The FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. The World Health Organization (WHO) recommend not to use ivermectin in patients with COVID-19, except in clinical trials.

    Ivermectin explained: Why the so-called 'horse drug' has emerged in COVID fight

    Ivermectin is a drug used to treat infections caused by parasites, such as river blindness and intestinal problems caused by roundworms.

    Scientists who developed ivermectin won the Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine in 2015, when the foundation said the drug “revolutionized therapy for patients suffering from devastating parasitic diseases.”

    In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends refugees coming to the United States from most parts of the world take ivermectin as a “presumptive therapy.”

    Is it a horse drug?

    Versions of ivermectin are also used to deworm livestock, which has caused confusion and fueled political commentary about the use of the drug.
     
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    JaneEyre Kindness matters - always

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    I didn't feel squat with either dose of the Moderna and I'm not sure that's a good thing.
     
  19. otto

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    A bit more info about ivermectin:
    • Different forms of ivermectin are used to treat parasites, such as intestinal worms or lice, in both animals and humans. But the livestock form of the drug should never be used on humans, and parasites are not the same as viruses. COVID-19 is caused by a virus.
    • The largest study in favour of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment was retracted after concerns about data fabrication, plagiarism and ethical breaches. No clinical studies have proven whether ivermectin can slow or stop the novel coronavirus from growing in human cells.
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-covid-coronavirus-september-3-1.6163660
     
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