Could it be her brother?

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by m_redesdale60, Jul 18, 2019.

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Who do you think did it? Family or Stranger?

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  1. m_redesdale60

    m_redesdale60 New Member

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    I have not read all the threads but I think that it might have have been her brother. I know what your thinking... how could a nine year old kill a little girl, much less his own sister. Whenever police got to the crime they found books in their house about sexually aggressive behavior and they think that Burke was sexually aggressive towards Jon Benet. One theory believes that her brother sexually assaulted her using an object and then killed her when something went wrong. (Or at least injured her. It's been awhile since I've heard it. Sorry.) So then we hen their parents found out they helped Burke kill her so that they would not have to lose another child. (They had lost another daughter before Jon Benet) I will leave a podcast. (Credit goes to them) JonBenet Ramsey Case – 129 from The Generation Why Podcast
     
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  2. Swirlz

    Swirlz Well-Known Member

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    Several popular conservative parenting books that dealt with the subject of instilling morals in children were found in the Ramsey home. None of them mentioned sexual aggression.

    Investigators who were present at the crime scene and who were directly involved in investigating the case believed the head injury, sexual assault and asphyxiation were caused by a parent although they were divided when it came to identifying specifically which parent.

    Jim Kolar who worked as an investigator for the Boulder District Attorney from 2005 - 2006 has stated that he believes Burke sexually abused and killed JonBenet.
     
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  3. m_redesdale60

    m_redesdale60 New Member

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    Exactly, although the parents had to be involved with it. He might have been able to kill and sexually abuse her but not discreetly. Her parents say that they were in the house when she was killed. They must have contributed.
     
  4. Sophie-Renee

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    I wonder how much the Ramseys' were ever questioned on these books- or on Burke's behaviour or relatioship with JonBenet. It seems very clear from most things I have heard he did have behavioural problems and certainly some extent of jealousy. But there are more worrying factors such as the time he is reported to have hit her with a golf club and not long before her death smeared faeces across a box of chocolates she had been given. Who knows how true it all is, who is to say it was him who hit her even by accident or in a rage. We know Burke was interviewed ans questioned at the time but, did the Ramseys ever cooperate in talking about Burke and what kind of child he was, or did they simply go on the defensive and insist that Burke had nothing to do with it, therefore why focus on him instead of catching the intruder.
     
  5. m_redesdale60

    m_redesdale60 New Member

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    I think that even if the police interviewed her parents about Burke then they would have denied it. They also didn't interview Burke because he was underage. But I definitely think that Burke had something to do with her death. As for the time factors, I'm not very sure about that.
     
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  6. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    Sophie-Renee,
    From Foreign Faction: Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet? by A. James Kolar; pages 367-70:
    Seems they are mostly factually correct, except maybe for the interpretation, e.g. pajama bottoms were Burke's?

    Yet in a 1997 BPD Patsy Interview, Excerpt
    Now that links back to those fecally soiled pajama bottoms found on JonBenet's floor, so Patsy dodged that one.

    A few pages on in Kolar's book we have:
    Foreign Faction, Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet, James Kolar, pages 370 - 371

    JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, Steve Thomas, pages 37 - 38
    Now for years folks thought it was JonBenet that soiled the bed, but it might have been Burke, just another interpretation.

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  7. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    m_redesdale60,
    Burke was interviewed. When Dr Phil interviewed Burke on TV they played some clips from his interviews which were not complimentary. Still he was a kid dealing with a difficult issue.

    The case might be JDI with Burke getting caught up in events with most of the evidence being circumstantial allowing everyone to point a finger at him?

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  8. Sophie-Renee

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    I have seen the tapes that interviewed Burke a few weeks after the murder. He talks about not really thinking about the murder, as he is usually busy on video games . He also explains about waking up and hearing a commotion, but not really getting up and finding out as he figured someone would come and tell him. (Details later called into question , after an enhancement was made of the 911 call where a child can be heard in the background asking "what did you find"? ) . Both John and Burke, as I understand still firmly claim Burke was in bed during that whole time. The interviews with Burke were very revealing and have been interpreted in many ways from a young boy simply blotting out a horrendous experience, to having been coached in what to say or suspecting him due to the lack of emotion he appears to have to his sister's death. What I have never seen though is an interview specifically questioning him about the feces smeared on the chocolates or on the pyjamas . I suppose it would be a very difficult topic to raise, but it leaves a lot of questions unanswered. To this day , I don't think he has ever been asked about it or on any of the incidents between him and JonBenet- including the incident where he is alleged to have hit her with a golf club. A friend of the Ramseys who appeared to condemn the way they behaved after the murder was witness to that. Now, even supposing you had fallen out with a friend- if their child had been found dead how bad could it actually be where you would be suspect of them and their actions, rather than the intruder theory? She also talks about being sworn to secrecy by others in their friend group and when she said no, she would cooperate with authorities with whatever information she could give in order to catch JonBenet's killer, the friend group cut ties with her. Very worrying, in my mind. (Sorry, sort of went off at a tangent. Just meant to clarify Burke was in fact interviewed but not about the feces as far as I know.)
     
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  9. Sophie-Renee

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    Meant to add- this friends interview can be found at 51:42 in the Case of Jonebenet Ramsey documentary.
     
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  10. Swirlz

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    The items that had poop on them were found located in JonBenet's bedroom. The logical assumption would be that JonBenet got poop on some stuff. Jim Kolar's suggestion that Burke is the poop-culprit is based on the account of a former housekeeper who claimed Burke put poop on a bathroom wall once when he was 6.

    Judith Phillips didn't report the conversation she claims to have had with Patsy about Burke having hit JonBenet on purpose to the police. The incident is described in Steve Thomas's book as an accident.

    The brief footage of Burke's police interviews that have been made public were conducted by Det. Dan Schuller and Dr. Suzanne Bernhard. Both specialized in interviewing child witnesses. Neither thought Burke had any knowledge of or information about JonBenet's death.
     
  11. Sophie-Renee

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    Apologies. I made a mistake . The account of the golf club incident from Judith Phillips follows after in Part 2, right after the Burke Ramsey excerpt at 44.05 .

    I believe there were also accounts in the police files mentioned earlier in this thread, about there being feceal matter in pyjama bottoms which were a larger size to JonBenets, however were found in JonBenet's bedroom.

    I am not saying Burke did it, or was involved- but there are inconsistencies. We now know that although he tells the interviewer he was a very deep sleeper and slept through it all, he has since told police he pretended to be asleep. We now also know due to enhancements of the 911 call he was in the background at the time . So either he chose to lie, was blocking it out in denial or was being told to.
     
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    Why wasn’t the poop tested to see who it came from?

    Looking into the future, I wonder how well Burke will hold up with his story when his father passes? To me, it feels like Burke knows that Daddy will get him out of any slip up he makes. Burke lives in a shadow always protected by Daddy. IMO.

    The day will come when Burke is on his own. No one alive who was in that house the night Jon Benet was murdered.
    My intuition says that will be too much for Burke. He has been protected all his life for what he knows. What a burden to carry and live with. My opinion is he will break.
    Either a mental breakdown and tell all or he will suicide.
    JMO,

    The poor guy has had nothing close to a normal life. He may have money to buy anything he wants. He does not have a clear conscience. He carries a deep dark secret that has been forced upon him by his parents.
     
  13. Sophie-Renee

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    I see what you are saying, but am not sure that if he was involved he neccessarily would tell all. Not after such a long time. Lets' suppose there was a tragic accident and his family covered it up. Lets' say he hit JonBenet and by accident she died. He will have likely been coached in what to say, who to talk to, who to trust and it is hard to tell if his reclusive lifestyle is just him, or part to do with the media attention he might get or part to do with the fact he is hiding something. Mind you, he did go on Dr Phil- this may have been the only way he though though he could show he was in fact not hiding. If he had never spoken out at all, it would have been even worse but at the same time put his actions under the microscope and he has been analysed over and over because of it. First time speaking out he was bound to feel nervous, edgy , smile awkwardly even but still feel it was something he had to do. I am not so sure that if he is hiding something, it will come out. Not voluntarily by him anyway. I may be wrong. As much as the idea of an intruder is just as awful as the familys' involvement- the idea an outsider rather than an insider did this would at least mean there has been no cover up on the part of the Ramseys. Only time will tell.
     
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  14. Swirlz

    Swirlz Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Burke was involved in the homicide and I doubt he's heard a direct confession or that he was an eyewitness to anything.
     
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    m_redesdale60 New Member

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    I can see where you get that. I mean there is evidence that it might have been an outside job. As well as an inside job. But most likely, in cases like these it's the family. I can't deny or confirm anything exactly but I do think that her brother was involved.
     
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    owsley Former Member

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    We'll get the truth though it will still be awhile. And the truth will not be kind to John Ramsey. Nor his wife. Nor his son. But John was the prime mover in that family.
     
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    John's fibers were in her crotch. I'm not sure why he wasn't prosecuted.
     
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    Swirlz,
    Because Alex Hunter declined to file the GJ Counts!


    John and Patsy were charged with child abuse and negect, regardless of who the GJ thought was responsible for JonBenet's homicide, both parents were looking at jail time.

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    Sophie-Renee,
    THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER April 3, 2001
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  20. Sophie-Renee

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    All of this is very interesting. I have been doing some reading and as far as screaming goes , remember Melody Stanton? She was the neighbour over the road who seemed to change her story and be unsure. She went from saying she heard scraping sounds and screaming that awoke her between 12 and 2am. She later said it may have been a dream but also that she heard it 2 nights previous. None of the other neighbours report hearing screams on the night Jonbenet was murdered. But here's the thing - if she HAD heard it 2 nights previous and she believed it to be a childs' scream- that would have been early hours of December 24th- day after Patsy's Christmas party and this party is something that seems to keep coming up again and again.

    One of Jonbenet's friends had apparently played with her on Christmas Eve and it was then Jonbenet mentioned she was expecting a sercret visit from Santa AFTER Christmas. The Ramseys claimed to know nothing about this. On the 23rd also is when 911 recieved a hang up call from the Ramsey number. It was alleged that Fleet White had tried to ring a hospital about some medication and rang 911 by mistake . Really??? Something does seem quite odd. Seems more likely someone was testing to see how long it would take for the police to get to the Ramsey home and how long they would have to leave the area after the murder.

    Also, John Ramsey claimed he didn't know of Glenn Meyer who turned up at that party that day looking for his neighbour and friend, Joe Barnhill. Joe had taken Glenn Meyer in as a lodger and it must have been a recent thing because John Ramsey didn't seem to know the Barnhills even had a lodger. When he was asked if at the party Glenn Meyer had struck up a connection with Burke or JonBenet he said he didn't know. Again..Really? You happen to let anyone into your home even if they are someone's lodger, that you have never met before (as it tured out Glenn Meyer did have a criminal record.) and don't know or care if they are off alone with your kids?

    Nearly if not all the Ramsey's neighbours were spoken to by police and taken tests. At the time Glenn Meyer was one of about 2 I think who is listed as unidentified- but we know his name because we know he was the Barnhills' lodger and Joe Barnhill named his lodger in his statment. Meyer said he went to bed at 9 with a virus and heard nothing. I am not saying he did it, but if he went to bed at 9, who knows if and when he may have sneaked out? (Perhaps she has an axe to grind) but was not so long ago Meyer's ex wife said she believed he was involved in JonBenet's murder (they had divorced in 1986) and he had been obsessed with her- whether she meant before or after she was killed, who knows. Police also found the letters S.B.T.C on a poster in the basement room he rented from the Barnhills. Meyer's handwriting sample had to be asked for twice- because first time around it was close to that of the ransom note. He was cleared by DNA but we already know that experts believe the DNA profile is of more than one person.So all this about suspects DNA being no match- NONE of them ever will be if they tested one piece of DNA at a time. I am not sure how all that works, but it seems to have been suggesting that if the DNA profile is mixed, just testing one of the people will give a negative result.

    The Ramseys' seemed to have so many people coming and going from their home. On Decemeber 23rd there seems to have been so much going on too. The "accidental" 911 call, the scream that Melody Stanton heard , if not on the night of the 25th, then the night after the party, the scraping sounds, the first time Glenn Meyer visits the Ramsey home and the day BEFORE Jonbenet tells her friend that Santa will be paying her a "secret visit" after Christmas.

    My hunch , assuming it was an intruder is they were at THAT party. My hunch is all involved may have even been there, assuming there was more than one involved..My hunch is it could explain why anyone there could have got a feel for the Ramsey home- while everyone is busy with the party and the kids, found information relating to John Ramseys' bonus and recent $1 billion landmark with Access Graphics, got hold of paper from Patsy's pad, Patsy's pen, put them in a bag and went away to prepare that long ransom note,to leave at the Ramsey home 2 nights later and make a beeline for JonBenets' bedroom which they now could locate in the home and picture in their mind. I may be wrong but it seems there is a bigger pitcure to the 23rd of Decemeber.

    I can only assume the Ramseys' were asked about this party and all names of those in attendance were given and all people were tracked down and checked. But unfortunately if the Ramsey's didn't even know possibly the SURNAMES of all their guests whether invited or uninvited, that would cause a real problem. But I do believe this party is where and when this person may have got all they needed to plan for their dreadful crime 2 days later and of course, to talk to JonBenet .
     
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