Could this be an unidentified LISK/Bittrolff victim (UP6938)?

Discussion in 'LISK Unidentified Victims' started by findgarymathias, May 29, 2020.

  1. findgarymathias

    findgarymathias Member

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    Hello all,

    I'm fairly new to posting here, but no stranger to the internet or true crime communities. I am originally from the Long Island area and have always had an interest in these cases, especially after the arrest of JB in 2014.

    One of the prevailing reasons people cite that JB is _not_ LISK, or at least not responsible for all of the dismembered women found near Manorville is that earlier in his career he posed his victims in a specific way.

    I've been looking through unsolved, un-IDed, and similar cases in the area and I stumbled on this one:

    NAMUS ID: UP6938
    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

    While the victim was found in Queens, it's an area that is Queens in name only. She was found 5 minutes off of the Long Island Expressway exit 25.

    What stands out to me is the timeline: she was discovered in Feb 1994, and was likely killed sometime in late 1993 to early 1994 - the absolute apex of Bittrollf's known killing spree. The victim was found with only her right shoe, which is pictured on the NAMUS page.

    Left shoe missing but no other major signs of violence, victim close to the LIE screams JB to a T to me. I have attached a google maps image showing how close this victim was found to the LIE.

    Land of pure fiction speculation: This is potentially of note if you believe that JB is responsible for the GB4 & AC4, as it would make all 3 a series of 4 spree murders of sex workers in a short period of time, with the bodies in each spree disposed of in a specific way.
     

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  2. jollyjustice

    jollyjustice Member

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    That’s definitely a victim of Bittrolffs as all of his victims were missing their left shoes, it’s his signature. I’m sure because of that the victim is already on the cops radar as being one of Bittrolffs.

    Edit: as I posted this before I checked out the link, this victim was found with her clothes. All of Bittrolffs victims were nude and posed in sexual positions, with left shoes missing. In that case, I’m not sure if her left shoe went missing in transport etc, if not and the suspect took it, it’s most certainly Bittrolff as I can’t imagine there’s very many SK’s or suspects who take victims left shoes as one of their MO’s. It’s certainly one of the more different MO’s I’ve come across.
     
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  3. findgarymathias

    findgarymathias Member

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    You're right about the clothing, is it confirmed that all 2/3 were found nude? Posing we have no idea about here.

    My thoughts on the shoe are that it doesn't appear to be scavenged given how much else was recovered, but if every single one of JB's victims was nude around this time that would make it pretty unlikely that it's connected in my opinion.
     
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    yes it was confirmed that the two victims he was convicted of murdering were found nude, wearing nothing but their right shoes, left shoes were missing and taken by him.

    He’s suspected in Sandra Costilla’s murder but it was released by police that she was killed and posed in the same way as the other two victims, but there’s also some differences with Sandra in that she was found mutilated. So Bittrolff potentially switches things up a bit between victims. Sandra was also apparently found clothed.
     
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    future_detective New Member

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    Im thinking maybe she went to a school near there i mean she was around 20 ish and universities are close to where she was found and shes university age sooo......
     
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    If her left shoe was missing that matches the same MO and he could be keeping them as a trophy of his work i mean thats what most killers do
     
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    And also about the nude victims maybe there was something in common about them that he was sexually attracted to....
     
  8. jessr927

    jessr927 Yonkers NY Jane Doe, victim of Robert Shulman

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    The nude victims were also sex workers (Rita Tangredi and Colleen McNamee). Sandra Costilla was not a known sex worker. LE said she "led a similar lifestyle." I don't know if that means exotic dancer or what.


     
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