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  1. deedee21

    deedee21 Well-Known Member

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    No you misunderstood.
    No one said SG was brought into Hacketts after she was found.
     
  2. WINDSOR

    WINDSOR Well-Known Member

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    I listened to the tape again and you are correct, I was wrong.

    What John Ray did say is that the Police brought Mari into Hackett's house after Shannan's remains were found. They took her onto Hackett's balcony to show Mari where Shannan was found in the marsh.

    Thank you for the correction.
     
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  3. WINDSOR

    WINDSOR Well-Known Member

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    I believe Judge Berland had scheduled a hearing on December 11, 2018 did it occur? Any news?
     
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  4. lady gaga

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    Have any of you been following the breath taking - action packed
    lawsuit that John Ray ray filed against St. Michael the Archangel?

    [605469/2016]
    OMG
    It has more action packed drama than a night time series on Netflix.

    Here is the article from Newsday

    Attorney: Church spread anti-semitism

    John Ray was publicly shamed from the pulpit by Reverend Gardner publicly scolded and belittled from the pulpit during three Masses
    Holy Week 2016 and asked to drop out of the church.

    John did NOT drop out of the church, and when the man who passes the basket around for donations put the basket in front
    of John Ray, John Ray gave the guy the middle finger.IN CHURCH

    while mass was going on .
    JOHN RAY GAVE A MAN THE MIDDLE FINGER IN CHURCH
    OMG - wow. LOSER. Seriously.

    John Ray was thrown out of the church, and the church got a temporary restraining order to keep Ray from entering the church.
    Ray sued them, and said all sorts of negative things about the church that they are anti-semitic. BUT this all happened
    AFTER John Ray's baby mama (mother of his child, but not his legal wife) got fired from her job directing the choir at Church.

    My my LA SCANDAL!!!!!!!
    So I included a small snip from a transcript in which there was an emergency hearing
    in front of a Judge because Ray had a restraining order against him and not allowed
    to enter the church, and he got in front of a Judge for a decision, because, according
    to him, he wanted to go to mass on Mothers Day and this church has an actual mass
    in old fashioned Latin.

    So the Judge was asking opposing counsel, "If Mr. Ray went to church on Sunday morning,
    is this church going to go down in flames?"


    OMG - John Ray got KICKED out of his Roman Catholic Church - wow
    He must be a REALLY BAD GUY to get KICKED OUT OF A CHURCH FOR GOOD

    WOW.
     

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  5. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    If I understand correctly, JR filed a motion asking Judge Berland to impose sanctions (against SCPD for failure to comply). No decision was made regarding that motion. Additionally, there was PIC/OSC (preindictment conference/order to show cause) scheduled for 1/7 or 1/8. Which I very poorly (i.e. I'm just guessing!) interpret as...

    (Warning! Anyone with legal training will possibly become violently ill with continued reading! :eek: Many apologies in advance!)

    PIC = produce what was requested (tapes/transcripts) so we can resolve the matter. And, OSC = SCPD is given an opportunity to show why the judge should not take drastic action for failure to comply.

    We really need an attorney to explain stuff 'round here. :(
     
  6. lady gaga

    lady gaga Member

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    In a very special meeting, an expulsion meeting, by the powers that be at John RAy's church
    made a expulsion decision and informed him that if he ever came into the church again

    he would be told to leave the property immediately, and if Ray did not comply,
    he would have the police escort him out.

    John sued the Church for his right to attend mass.

    Ya gotta be REALLY BAD to be TOSSED OUT OF YOUR CHURCH
    and have a restraining order DENY you access to your CHURCH.

    I been telling all of you for years that the guy is a bum and no good.

    EVEN HIS CHURCH KNOWS HES A WORTHLESS PIECE OF CRAP
     

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  7. lady gaga

    lady gaga Member

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    I told you before and I'm telling you for the last time,
    the punishment and the sanctions are proposed against Michael Pak.
    John Ray asked me for Pak's address on June 1 of this year.
    I told Pak and Pak called Ray because he is a nincompoop.

    Ray only wanted Paks address to depose Pak, and Pak was under
    the false sense of security that 8 years and 1 month had gone by
    and that he was off the hook, while his co-conspirator
    the doc, was ON the hook.

    I, myself am pessimistic that the lawsuit will be resolved satisfactorily
    simply because the government in many cases refuses to divulge the information to the judge and the lawyer,
    and Windsor's favorite lawyer is going to be disbarred in 2019 for violations against Shannan Gilbert,
    Mari Gilbert, Sherre Gilbert, Sarra Gilbert and Stevie Smith in the canon of ethics that lawyers
    take an oath to obey.

    John took $25,000 cash from a certain crime syndicate
    family that resides in Oak Beach to depose Hackett and all the
    same people that this crime syndicate family hates.
    What is their interest in this lawsuit against the doc,
    except the fact that they have slandered the docs name
    for about 8 years, defaming him on numerous websites,
    in thousands, if not millions of posts.

    It is a 3rd party inserting themselves into a 2 party lawsuit.
    The courts, and or Hackett's lawyer will do what ever they
    do to John Ray and this crime syndicate family.
    Was the cash payment was a cash bribe, because it's
    awful strange that they never filled out the proper
    paperwork to tell opposing counsel that they "donated"

    (cough cough AHEM) or,
    "donated" the monies, therefore it's a secret.

    There are formalities by the rules of law that
    are to be filled out when a 3rd
    party involves themselves in a 2party lawsuit.

    First and foremost is that the crime syndicate family can
    influence John Ray and the workings of this lawsuit.
    Secondly, you will notice that Ray never deposed, nor
    sued Pak, a man who was at the scene of the crime.
    I can tell you that this said syndicate crime family
    did not TELL JR to go after Pak o lies, and so John didn't.
    But, don't believe me

    ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
    Pak was the only person Shannan was running from,
    Pak drover her there, and he lives and operates in
    a crime syndicate a true criminal enterprise.

    Last, but not least, Judge Berland placed a "stay" on the

    case.
    John's movement in this case is once again frozen.
    His hands are tied.

    Ray can't get near Pak, and Pak doesn't have to be deposed.

    Fred&Edna - you are doing very well, as you are not an attorney,
    nor seem to have any attorneys at your elbow to help you.

    You are doing very well by trying, lawyers go to law school for
    3 years after they complete their college education, and that
    is why the law is written BY lawyers for lawyers so that
    the people have to HIRE an attorney, because otherwise
    we, the common people will never understand the law.

    I am very proud of you for trying. It's not easy,
    the only reason I know that this "punishment" Is
    for Pak is because, as crazy as it is, John Ray told me.
     
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  8. WINDSOR

    WINDSOR Well-Known Member

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    Since you mentioned me Lady Gaga in your post I think I will make a few comments
    ----- Here is the article in newsday about John Ray's suit.
    Attorney: Church spread anti-semitism

    Please notice the date is April 2016. Secondly, this church is not part of the Roman Catholic Church, thirdly John Ray believes the church is active in anti-semitic and anti-American activities and that is why the suit was launched.

    If the church kicked John Ray out it was because he was suing the church, not the other way around.

    Finally Lady Gaga you have done an excellent job in discovering what actually happened in Oak Beach. You also seem to know who did what and why and who all the individuals involved are.

    As well you have been in contact with various legal agencies that have prosecution powers. Is there any reason that you can think of, with all the information you have shared with the authorities, why haven't charges been laid and arrest been made?

    I ask this with great respect and admiration.
     
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  9. lady gaga

    lady gaga Member

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    I understand I was a wee bit harsh in the post above.
    I understand you are a YUGE fan of the jonny ray.
    I don't know if you know, but I am NOT a fan of his at all.
     
  10. Suglo

    Suglo Well-Known Member

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    You did a perfect job of explaining it. One has to file an OSC when the opposing party doesn’t comply with a previous order of the court. I’m not quite sure why they lumped the Pre-Indictment Conference with the OSC though. Anyway, Judges normally give the responding party some leeway to produce whatever they were ordered to produce. If they don’t do it after this next OSC there is a good chance that the plaintiff’s next motion will ask for terminating sanctions. In other words, the plaintiff will ask the judge to dismiss the lawsuit and enter a judgment in their favor.
     
  11. MarkTwang

    MarkTwang Active Member

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    What is the difference between an affadavit and heresay? Does an affidavit contain hearsay?

    It's fully admissible in a specific type of trial, one that is about criminal RICO or a civil RICO case.

    This is the Gilbert's civil suit against Hackett for wrongful death? It's a real shame, she could have won this suit if she had let the investigation play out.

    http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usam/legacy/2014/10/17/civrico.pdf
     
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  12. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    4/2/19 court date scheduled. And it appears no sanctions against SCPD for failing to cough up the required info on SGs 911 call.

    'Feel as if I could be posting same info a year (or ten) from now.
     
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  13. WINDSOR

    WINDSOR Well-Known Member

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    Regarding the status of of the court proceedings to have the tapes released, I have learned from a reliable source in the Suffolk County judicial system the following.

    -Suffolk County appealed to the Appellate Division, Judge Berland's order to turn over the tapes to John Ray.
    -If the Appellate were to rule in the County's favor, the County would not have to turn over the tapes.
    -John Ray, also made a motion to the Appellate Division to toss out the County's appeal, or order the County to turn over the tapes.

    John Ray's motion to Judge Berland was for sanctions, not contempt, and he effectively ordered it in abeyance pending the Appellate Court decision.

    Let us hope that the Appellate rules quickly and in favor of the release of the tapes.
     
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    WINDSOR Well-Known Member

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    Any news on any of the Court actions?
     
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  15. WINDSOR

    WINDSOR Well-Known Member

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    Anything yet?
     
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  16. WINDSOR

    WINDSOR Well-Known Member

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    Any news from Judge Berland?
     
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  17. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    10/22/19 "nothing to be accomplished" court date
     
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    WINDSOR Well-Known Member

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    Thanks
     
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  19. twocuriouscats

    twocuriouscats Searching for Killer Owls

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    Haha Lady Gaga! How kind of you to commend Fred and Edna on their hard work. I agree they are doing very well.
    Gaga, you've made some statements which sound like you know certain facts - but do you have proof? A link? How do we know what you say is true? Who are you? Fair questions if yu want us to believe you...
     
  20. WINDSOR

    WINDSOR Well-Known Member

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    I believe that 10/22/19 is the scheduled court date for the ruling by Judge Berland on the release of the Shannan Gilbert 911 tapes.

    Any ideas if he will make a ruling?
     
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