Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #4

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  1. Tom'sGirl

    Tom'sGirl Former Member

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    This thread is to discuss Crystal, stay on topic!

    Please continue here, and keep in mind a few things that are OFF LIMITS!
    • posting of random MySpace pages
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  3. kiki the parrot

    kiki the parrot Former Member

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    :banghead:

    (bold mine, from previous Crystal #3) Hi txmommy :wave: ...and we were doing so well yesterday... lolol!

    1. "Crystal admits doing cocaine while pregnant, this is not a try during pregnancy kind of drug it is a habitual habit at this point and is sometimes in need of intervention."

    What Crystal admits to is STOPPING use of cocaine as soon as she learned she was pregnant--unlike dad, who continued using drugs in the home they shared.

    2. "Those who don't want to quit drugs while pregnant are in need of someone else caring for the child after delivery."

    Those who don't want to quit drugs while PARENTING are in need of someone else to care for their child/ren!

    3. "I firmly feel that Ron has demonstrated repeatedly his ability to address ASAP his concerns in regards to the children."

    Ron is the one who did not want Crystal to learn to drive; and insisted instead he would be responsible for arranging alternate transportation by his mother to and from Haleigh's doctor appts. during the time they were living together and beyond, yet failed to follow through. Crystal is not the one in whose care Haleigh was when the 22 absences from school occurred during her first few months in school. And Crystal is also not the one who, w/out warning failed to return and kidnapped their two children in violation of the court ordered schedule. It would seem when dad takes the children--nevermind whether there was just cause, whether court sanctioned nor even if legally entitled--he has only altruistic motives... Yet when Mom, in response to now grave and justifiable concern is in a position to seek LEGAL remedies, to rightfully pursue due parental recourse in the prescribed manner, her motives are selfish, sinister and suspect...?

    4. "...we (do) not need to speculate the mothers motives for not pursuing child support to establish said paternity."

    While attributing the worst most selfish possible motives to mom, for me to say there is a ton of speculating and assigning of benevolent motives re dad going on in your own post would be a gross understatement. And plez, don't even get me started on this doing comparisons of these three women's characters on the basis of looks, mannerisms or vocal tone, I will have cardiac arrest or a stroke... lol. This will have to do for now as it needs to be addressed further in Ron Thread, but w/e we saw eye to eye yesterday, well it was nice while it lasted LOL!!

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  4. Shelby77

    Shelby77 Former Member

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    Ok, just got because I hate to see such rampant misinformation being put out there as fact, here we go again...

    1. Crystal admitted in the custody docs posted previously (and frequently) to using cocaine while pregnant with RJ.

    2. The same can be said by both sides, so...

    3. Crystal's not having a license is on her first off, does Every single thing have to be blamed on somebody else. Secondly, Ron did provide the transportation thru his grandmother, and Crystal once again admitted in the custody docs posted, to the judge, that maybe she didn't feel like getting out of bed to take Haleigh to the Drs. (12x in less than a year mind you). She even precluded that admission with how she was going to stop blaming other people. But yet other people continue to blame other people for Crystal's faults and neglects, when she herself already took responsibility for this.
    Ron did not kidnap the children. Even Crystal has not made that allegation. Probably because she knew there was no court ordered schedule that you speak of! People can post after post about how he kidnapped the children, but obviously both the judge (2 of them) and LE disagree with you. Repeatedly stating something as fact does not make it fact and it only adds to the confusion, of which there is enough of.
     
  5. zadari

    zadari New Member

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    what they did then and how they act now are what counts imho .. they have both made mistakes .what has led up to this we dont know but i dont think crystal has anything to do with her daughter disappearing ..it has to be someone they both knew or someone who knows misty .. and i think misty is the key i get the feeling its someone who has had or has a beef with ronald .. or they wouldve taken crystals newborn not haleigh why would they hurt ron too ? ((if this is all about crystal being her fault) its gotta be something to do with misty and ron and who they know ..its someone angry with them or just a phedo that lives by them for all we know it could be someone from the school or an employee at a store that sees haleigh all of the time .
     
  6. Busylady

    Busylady Well-Known Member

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  7. Shelby77

    Shelby77 Former Member

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    I agree with you, Zadari, that their current behaviors are more important than past. I also agree that it could be someone who knew Ron or Misty, or a pedo. I haven't really come to a conclusion yet on what has happened to Haleigh, and I am certainly open to all logical theories.

    I do disagree with information being put out there that is not true. It just creates more drama and confusion, of which there is plenty already with this cast of characters. So when I see somebody post something that is simply not true, and already proven to be, I can't help but feel the need to point that out.

    If it were mis-truths being put out about Crystal, I'd point that out too, it's just that I don't see posters stating falsehoods as facts when it comes to Crystal. That seems to work mostly one way, and on the same facts :banghead:
     
  8. Ms Suzanne

    Ms Suzanne Active Member

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    I am very interested in this.Does any one know more about this and when it was found?
     
  9. zadari

    zadari New Member

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    i understand totally .. i think everyone is just afraid for haleigh and documents have to read carefully and sometimes are not always .i admit i miss things then read them again and find stuff i didnt see before ..
     
  10. Razzle

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    So does anyone know why Crystal has/had a suspended Driver's License?
     
  11. Razzle

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    What FACTS do we know re:missed child support payments?
     
  12. kiki the parrot

    kiki the parrot Former Member

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    Scathing references to "rampant misinformation" and blistering accusations of lies aside, I can only defer and pay homage to our fellow member boytwnmom--whom we've all been privileged to have on these boards--and who "couldn't help but feel the need herself to patiently point out a few of the mistruths about Crystal" earlier on this thread. Shelby I assure you, you are not the only one waxing patient in disagreement w info being repeatedly put out here as "fact" yet merely adding to the confusion. Yes here we go again, but I will spare her the trouble of having to repeat herself:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3475523#post3475523

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3476185#post3476185

    Yes it IS frustrating to have facts presented in earlier posts both ignored and distorted. Altho I've worked for two attorneys (and consider myself fairly articulate) I, no doubt like Crystal, am w/out question not nearly as equipped to assess nor to argue the legal ramifications as succinctly and clearly as boytwnmom--who, like myself, has no dog in this race. I'm just grateful that a disinterested person in this field has taken time out to do an analysis in order to shed light on this for the rest of us--of which any of us who are not attorneys might do well to heed and take note. And thankful that Crystal has an advocate of her own now. You are not the only poster who's grown weary of hearing what they feel is a mischaracterization. As you said, repeatedly misstating something does not make it true. So it's all "one way," and we "don't see posters stating falsehoods when it comes to Crystal?" Perhaps there is more than "one way" to interpret the alleged "facts" but boytwnmom is certain to enjoy a raucous laugh over that one... Props BTM for your posts. JMO

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  13. Searchfortruth

    Searchfortruth New Member

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    I just can NOT believe that with all of those drug charges Ron had he was not convicted, not once ! I have never seen anything like it in my life !
     
  14. Busylady

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    http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/.../cummings1.pdf

    Page 5 - Ron says he kept the kids because he heard she was using cocaine

    Missed hearing - page 21 - Crystal states lived in Glen St Marys for 3 months, therefore when she was served papers October 3rd, and answered them October 18th she would of been living at the same residence at the time of the hearing in December. If she did move between October and December by chance it would of been her responsibility to inform the court - she was full well of the proceedings as she had answered the original petition.

    Cocaine use - page 23 - she admits not using cocaine for a year - RJ is 9 months old at time of hearing - therefore she used while preg with RJ.

    Criminal records - page 39 Marie brings records up - later Ron brings Maries records up

    False police report - cannot link direct but go here http://www.bakercountyfl.org/clerk/
    hit search criminal dockets type in sheffield and scroll thru - they are not in order some of her charges are up top some at bottom you will find filing false police report (which was also addressed on NG today.

    Hope this helps.

    ETA - also if you scroll to the end of the documents the judge says he will review the violence file and dcf file and if he finds anything in there to change his ruling he will do so. I do not have page number because already closed out and takes forever to load.
     
  15. zadari

    zadari New Member

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    the link doesnt work . the first one

    I just am at the point where if its from the media i dont know if id beleive it .. it couldve been retyped changed ect ect and reposted ..because it sure isnt up right now .. i just dont think i trust what the media says too much anymore .. and really this is turning into im right your wrong type of thing imho .. again this is turning into a fiasco about them(the parents) just like with the anthonys .Crystal as far as we know was 100 miles away yea i heard it took her time to get down there however she wasnt there when this happened that we know of and why would she take haleigh and hurt her now ? after 5 years ? id think she wouldve years ago
    misty was the one with those kids its got something to with her imho . on nancy grace she said something about rj saying there was a man in black and bouncing couch then why dont they have a professional ask the little boy what and if he saw anything .. i would think a professional child psychologist would know if rj indeed saw anything . and im just using your post in general not knocking it in any way so please dont take it that way .
     
  16. Busylady

    Busylady Well-Known Member

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    It is just a copy of the custody documents, link worked fine for me just took a bit of time to load. You can also go to any other source and get the documents and the page numbers will match. But I understand where you are coming from. Clarification was asked so I just copied a post that I did a few weeks ago, giving the page numbers so people could look for themselves to find the information. I myself am done with the custody discussion and have been for sometime now.


     
  17. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Did you by any chance copy a shortened link from a quoted post here? I've already managed to mess up quite a few links that way.
     
  18. zadari

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    im there too hun i just wanna see haliegh found and i hope to god alive like you do .. :praying:
     
  19. stilettos

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    Thanks!!!
     
  20. Boytwnmom

    Boytwnmom Verified Attorney

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    sufficiently to make the legal argument that Ron had kidnapped her children does not change the FACT that the argument could, and should, and would have been made had she been represented by a competent attorney.

    In Florida, as in every other state that I know of, an unmarried mother of children is their natural and legal guardian and sole legal custodian. A putative father has NO, ZERO, NADA, rights in regard to those children unless and until paternity is established by a court of competent jurisdiciton.

    Here are a few snippets in PLAIN ENGLISH from various FL domestic attorney websites:


    "Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Paternity Laws Lawyer

    When parents are not married to each other, a paternity action may be required to establish a father's identity and the rights and responsibilities of the father, mother and child, such as the following:
    • The right of the mother to receive child support if she is the custodial parent
    • Parental rights of the father which may include child custody and visitation rights
    • Inheritance rights of the child with regard to the father's estate "

    "How Do Parents Benefit from
    Establishing Paternity?

    Establishing paternity gives the father and mother legal
    rights. You can:

    • Seek an order for support.
    • Seek a court order for custody or visitation.
    • Have a say in some legal decisions about the child."

    "Fathers' Rights in Paternity Cases
    If you are listed on your child's birth certificate as the father, it doesn't mean you have legal custody or visitation rights. Only a court can give custody and visitation rights to an unmarried father."

    "October 7, 2008
    The Importance of Establishing Paternity for Children Born Out of Wedlock in Florida
    Florida law dictates that the mother of a child born out of wedlock is automatically considered to be the legal parent who is required to provide support for her child. However, if a child’s parents are not married to each other when that child is born, Florida courts will not automatically presume a man is the biological father and thus recognize the father’s duties and financial obligations to the child unless paternity is legally established. "

    I hope the above makes it clear that RC had no legal right to withold the children from their mother at the time he refused to return them. This is the truth regardless of CS's failure to argue this in court or the magistrate's failure to take judicial notice of this fact. RC's dissembling on these circumstances does not change the fact that the only legal recourse he had if he truly suspected drug abuse was to report same to DCF or LE for action. He had no right to self help and to unilaterally remove the children from their mother. Of course, he had no such concerns as he asked for no restrictions on visitation despite his unsupported accusations. I don't think we need to rehash his lenghty criminal drug record again here so let's just go with pot, kettle.

    It also worth noting that CS did not try to establish paternity in order to try and get support from RC as he subsequently did to her. Again, I find his actions indicative of the type of person he is. He was just as unemployed as she was until he got a job just before he asked for the hearing and he was living on his mother's largesse in a mobile home she paid for. He made it clear to CS that she couldn't work because he didn't want his kids with a sitter and then of course used her lack of employment against her. He controlled her further by not wanting her to drive and then used that against her. He also used his Mommy & Grammy as his stable childcare support in court then promptly moved in his underage sex partner as an apparently appropriate "sitter". He & his mother used the legal system to set CS up. They relied upon her passivity and were not disappointed. I'm glad to see she has progressed form there. Too bad she didn't progress sooner as then perhaps this tragedy could have been averted.

    I think it is fairly clear to anyone schooled in domestic abuse the type of control RC excerted over CS. She displays a passivity in a face to face with her abuser that is fairly typical in women who were subejcted to psychological abuse and assertions of control over their actions. It's clear she needs to be represented by counsel in any and all actions invovling RC and his clan as that is the only way there is any possibility of justice being done.
     
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    RE: the photos Ron has of his daughter's marks on her body.Okay So his daughter falls at school and gets bruises---I just thought it was odd that if it were an accident,why did he keep taking photos of her face AFTER it happened? Anyone else think that's odd? Why would you take pictures of boo boo's if they were were an accident?
     
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