Silver Alert CT- Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #11 *ARRESTS*

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  1. afitzy

    afitzy Well-Known Member

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    @gitana1 totally missed you today and your practical approach to understanding these proceedings. The documents (most of them) are out on social media but its hard to pull them into WS. Looks like the next hearing on July 15th might resolve many of the questions people are raising here about status of Pattis and GAL. Pattis/FD are pushing for custody and even though GF went to Probate Court to gain temporary custody I'm concerned that Family Court could overturn the custody situation as it presently stands. Grandparents rights are tenous and I think many are concerned about the ability of a grandparent to gain permanent custody in this case. FD is barred from the children and family of JD presently so far as I know but how long can the court hold out against a father asking for custody?
     
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    sds71 Well-Known Member

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    We ought to create an independent commission to evaluate and approve guardians ad litem. Subject them to reappointment and potential removal. Vet them as we do judges. The decisions they make, after all, have consequences that last a lifetime.-NP
    Time for GAL Reform in Connecticut
     
  3. CarefullyTaught

    CarefullyTaught Hope is the thing with feathers -

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    Maybe I missed this in the photos, but perhaps summer law clerk got some good legal advice and has located an alternative internship?
     
  4. BellaVita

    BellaVita Well-Known Member

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    So, is the release of the evaluation a federal violation?
     
  5. afitzy

    afitzy Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so FD now has the report and he gives it to Atty Pattis who then uses its contents to get a reporter who is threatening to write a kill article about his client to back down. Where to start. Guess I will start with Pattis asking himself the simple question of "Should I have access to this report" and then perhaps "Should I discuss this report and its contents with a reporter"? Pattis has taken a sealed document from Family Court and used it to defend his client in a criminal case and then disclosed the contents to a reporter. Sure Pattis stopped talking about the report when he was contacted by GF atty but by then the damage had been done IMO.

    The other issue that is puzzling is that the report didn't seem to be complete and it was unclear why the person (presumed to be a DR.) would be unable to present the report findings to the court or couldn't be recognized by the court (odd wording that I didn't fully understand). So I wonder why was what looks to be a draft report kicking around between the person that prepared the report or was working on it, the GAL and FD atty? Did JD atty have equal access to what looks to be unfinished work product? I can't say that I fully understand what state the draft was in but why was it seeming to be passed around in unfinished form? To me this makes it even more irresponsbile of Pattis for disclosing it to the public. Confused.
     
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  6. Jen3135

    Jen3135 Well-Known Member

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    Just read the Daily Mail article - he's out hoverboarding with his niece??? What the.......(there are photos, it's surreal). How old is he, 10? Does a 51 YO really hoverboard while out on bond for what we all know he did to the mother of his 5 grieving children? This guy is a nut job to the 1000th degree. Notice to the court: He's unstable, unpredictable, going to act out like cornered wild animal very very soon. He poses imminent danger to the public. How many conditions of the court does he have to break before they do something? Do they not learn from prior cases (Powell). If they allow him anywhere near thise kids I'm going to flip. And Meehan - you should be hanging your head in shame you loser. This judge and all others involved in overseeing this case better hold FD and NP accountable for all of their BS and punish them accordingly. The public is not going to sit back and allow this mockery of the judicial system. We want JUSTICE for Jennifer and will accept nothing less. My faith is completely with LE who I think will deliver big time and have the utmost respect for their professionalism and integrity during this investigation. FD take note: you are done.
     
  7. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    Yep it burns me up to see people bashing this judge, This judge is not presiding over a murder trial!
     
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    afitzy Well-Known Member

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    Yes of course she is NOT presiding over a murder trial but the document in question was part of her court docket and sealed by her court and Judge Heller simply asked for copies to be returned and imposed minorly inconvenient administrative process for the atty's to continue to access the report. If this were your psych report in your divorce wouldn't you be remotely concerned that its contents could be copied multiple times without your knowledge and then discussed publicly and THEN potentially used in a criminal case that was not part of your purview? Not sure about you but I would be quite steamed to read about my psych report in a major paper! But perhaps we have to agree to disagree and that's ok. I'm sticking with POV that I was at best disappointed in response of Judge to safeguarding sealed confidential information that is part of her court docket.

    The document which is part of the sealed Family Court record was plucked away and used by Atty Pattis in his criminal case and then made public. Mmmmm. Yes, Judge Heller isn't presiding over a murder trial but doesn't she have the duty to protect the documents that are part of the cases that she does have responsiblity for? This document was sealed for a reason and while I respect your POV I don't see Judge Heller doing much other than getting the paper back and today we saw no attempt to publicly censure any of the involved parties or punish anyone for doing something that was clearly wrong. It was simply lets gather up the missing pieces of paper and head home. MOO
     
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    I remember Jake Patterson saying he cut his hair for that reason IIRC. I kept thinking others might hear that and emulate it since it seemed to work for a bit.
     
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    A little part of me wonders if this charade between FD lawyers reaching out to MT's and MT's requesting no contact/communication.....is it a ploy? I dont think NP circus would want this info out....seems a bit hinky to me.
     
  11. afitzy

    afitzy Well-Known Member

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    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    I understand the outrage, but in my experience and knowing family court judges , their rulings are generally based on what they can control.

    They are not looking to set stipulations on what is and is not admissible in a criminal court of law.

    But rather to the power that they have in a family court proceeding

    The judge said basically listen this is a sealed document and you are not going to use it to further your criminal case

    The document in question will be held by this court and you will adhere to the rules that I set fourth

    Some are trying to compare a family court to a criminal court and I think that is unfair to the judge in question

    I honestly don't see what the judge could have been expected to do differently

    Were people expecting the judge to break from what she is lawfully expected to do and treat it as a criminal hearing

    That's simply not her job IMO
     
  13. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    Cool. Maybe FD can take more pointers from Genius Jake as he faces life without parole.
     
  14. afitzy

    afitzy Well-Known Member

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    clearskies1 Well-Known Member

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    100% agree. Thank you for your insight and eloquence.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    It has to be either a party, a witness or another attorney. Someone connected to the case.
     
  17. afitzy

    afitzy Well-Known Member

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    I understand your procedural POV on this situation but am struggling to understand why a stronger statement wasn't made by the Judge to express displeasure that a sensitive and confidential document (which didn't appear to even be in final form) was not only mishandled but misused (kindest words I can think of at the moment) by various officers of the court. I believe this misuse of a report deserved a response from the court that was way beyond a procedural alteration and then we go back to business as usual approach that we saw in court today.

    Its almost that Judge Heller couldn't be bothered to expend a bit of emotional energy to express just a tad bit of outrage about the situation similar to that outrage which was expressed by JD atty in court today. It was as if she were saying, "oh well, these things happen, lets just get all the reports back in the right spot, make sure the files are in order, by the way you can only take notes but not the report and BTW keep the GAL in the loop so he can bill some hours too and then finally lets keep things moving along here". Wonder if she would feel that way if it were her psych report or her husbands or her children that was treated in this manner?

    I realize @gitana1 explained that Family Court judges come from all walks of the law and this is the way things work but I can't help but thinking that this commerical litigator is not yet in the league to handle this particular case based simply on experience with Family Law matters and that perhaps more experienced hands are required due to the complexity of the case and what is no doubt coming down the pike with regards to custody battle involving a grandparent vs a father. Judge Heller seems at times uncertain and tentative and possibly not in control of her courtroom and its participants and it appears things started going off the rails with the various motions filed. We shall see how this all shakes out on the 15th with the next hearing. I also believe that this case is showing up the many shortcomings and limitations of Family Court in CT and that if you haven't experienced it first hand its hard to believe that some of what we have seen happen is actually just a typical day for these judges that get 8 year appointments with very limited renewal reviews so far as I can tell. MOO
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Good questions.

    First of all, has Pattis even substituted in on the family law case? He would have to, in order to appear. What a creep. He's just using the family law case o grandstand and create a defense, at the expense of the poor kids in this case.

    Someone else said grandma sought custody in probate court. Can someone provide a link? Since there's a family law case active that should be the proper jurisdiction for custody, via a motion to intervene, which is clearly before the family law judge. Not the probate court.

    In CA guardianships of kids take place through probate court. I'm not sure about CT. But typically that's only when either parent is unavailable or incapable of caring for the kids. She could have possibly done so when he was incarcerated. Does anyone have some evidence of a probate court case?

    I'm not sure about the strength of grandparent rights in CT.

    It seems the kids have a team of people - the GAL, mom's counsel, grandma, and the judge, who have concerns about FD and he has already been determined to be a risk to the welfare of the kids. So that could help.

    What I've found for CT law shows grandparent rights may not be as liberal as in CA. For example, here they have standing to open a custody case (guardianship). In CT it looks like they don't. But they can intervene if one is already open. (Like here, with the divorce action).

    They can, however, open a case for mere visitation rights.

    In CT, a grandparent may be able to seek custody if they can pass a theee pronged test via a case called Fish:

    1. That they have a parent-like relationship with the child. That could be hard to prove here.
    2. That it would be detrimental to remain in the parents' custody.
    3. That it would be in the child's best interest to be in the care of the grandparent.

    I think grandma succeeds with 2 and 3.

    More at link:

    https://www.jud.ct.gov/lawlib/Notebooks/Pathfinders/RightsofGrandparents/Grandparent.pdf
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    No. It's simply state contempt of court.

    But it's troubling that mom's counsel says the GAL wasn't supposed to release the report to either attorney. Sometimes that's the case and they're just read in court at a sealed hearing. But typically in my state the attorneys receive a hard copy unless it's en emergency investigation.
     
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    If his lawyer found the report in his home while searching for his passport, I think this may have been prior to the fami.y law Atty resigning from the case.
     
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